Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the present unclear situation. The github entry at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md is still there, and has been there since last May. The github discussion on https://github.com/pharo-proje

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch wrote: > > I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the present > unclear situation. The github entry at > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md >

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Sep 2019, at 11:22, PBKResearch wrote: > > I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the present > unclear situation. The github entry at > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md is > still there, and has b

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Hi, I really liked the way the conversation was advancing on the PR before it was used to insult one of the members of the community. I don't know if closing the whole thread on the PR is only the way to keep the trolls out of it, because it also keeps everyone who is trying to make a good contrib

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

I reopened while reporting the abuser (and block him). But frankly, I do not think the discussion will end in anything useful (here or there). Esteban > On 19 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > wrote: > > Hi, > > I really liked the way the conversation was advancing on the

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Thanks Esteban. I'm more hopeful about where community conversation can take us... let's give it time. Cheers, Offray On 19/09/19 7:43 a. m., Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > I reopened while reporting the abuser (and block him).  > > But frankly, I do not think the discussion will end in anything use

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

I think the comments about “someone that has no name, no repositories, not anything that makes you think is a real member of the community or just a troll” are directed at me. My e-mail address is based on the trading name I used at the time I was doing consulting work; my actual name is Peter K

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Peter, I think that the comment was referred to the comment made on the PR (not on this list) that was insulting Serge (which I will not repeat). It has been deleted now and only Stephan's response remains[1]. As you can see is addressing someone different, who has no contributions and no name and

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Offray You may be right, though I don’t think so. But ‘You have been warned’ was aimed at me; I’m sure of that. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users On Behalf Of Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas Sent: 19 September 2019 14:26 To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Co

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Peter, I also understand that Esteban Lorenzano didn't aim the comment at you, and there was a language mismatch in the tone or intention of the last sentence. Let's get back to the discussion of the CoC (if something else must be discussed) and avoid the "you said"/"he said" kind of side-debate

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Offray is right. And no, I was not referring to you but in general :) Esteban > On 19 Sep 2019, at 15:32, PBKResearch wrote: > > Offray > > You may be right, though I don’t think so. But ‘You have been warned’ was > aimed at me; I’m sure of that. > > Peter Kenny > > From: Pharo-users On

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 15:32, PBKResearch wrote >> You may be right, though I don’t think so. But ‘You have been warned’ was aimed at me; I’m sure of that. > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 21:50, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > Offray is right. > And no, I was not referring to you but in general :) > Misi

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Well , if I was too touchy, I’m sorry. I accept the clarification. However, I am still no clearer about the Code of Conduct. It is still there on Github. Is it in effect as the official Code for the Pharo community, or is it not? My request in my first post today was for someone, on behalf of th

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

--- Begin Message --- On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 08:25:47AM -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna C??rdenas wrote: > I think that the comment was referred to the comment made on the PR (not > on this list) that was insulting Serge (which I will not repeat). It has Let's see, I've posted one email to this list

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

The post was deleted not because of the CoC, but because of an unrespectful treatment of one of the members of the community, as the conversation here shows. And in fact what this probe that we care as a community for the well being of the community and its members, specially when complex matters a

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

--- Begin Message --- On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:35:51AM -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna C??rdenas wrote: > The post was deleted not because of the CoC, but because of an Allright, but this is what GitHub told me 3 hours ago: A maintainer of the @pharo-project organization has blocked you because of

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

makes me wonder whether he's such a machiavellian sociopath, or a useful idiot. On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 23:07, Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users < pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Let's see, I've posted one email to this list describing the dangers > of abusing CoCs I guess you refer to this one.

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Hello, I’m talking on behalf of the Pharo Board here. As start, we accepted Serge’s proposition without actually discussing it much because we didn’t think it was going to be really a problem. Our community has been self-regulating since the beginning and we were doing it fine until now. Once

[Pharo-users] New non-critical project - which Pharo to use?

Hi, all. I have a new project that I am launching. It’s non critical, and not complex. It will be using Teapot and Fuel, and not much else. Should I start working on Pharo 8? Is everyone migrating to 8 now? Thanks! peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary Public Key: http://bi

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

On the whole, the new code is pretty good. There was one thing that troubled me, though: "even outside of Pharo's public communication channels." What business is it of the Pharo Board what anyone says in any other community? I've heard too many cases where A says something to B and C complains a

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

And I don’t intend to abide by it. I’ll cancel my Pharo Association contribution and my contribution to Stephane’s Spec book. I have no interest in supporting a left-wing snowflake “Code of Conduct”. /*—-*/ Sent from my iPhone https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/51616339056

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Before doing that would you be willing to submit a PR with a proposed improvement (and a discussion of why)? > On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:17 PM, john pfersich wrote: > > And I don’t intend to abide by it. I’ll cancel my Pharo Association > contribution and my contribution to Stephane’s Spec book. I

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

First, my guess is that it was part of the thing they copied and that aspect might not have gotten as much thought as you’ve given it. Second, this is an international organization and maybe the intent (by the original author(s)) was to extend the reach of the NZ/UK/EU-style laws to apply to th

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

Yeah, I agree, what I say or do outside the Pharo channels is completely my business. this 'code' has no place here. Hell, Richard Stallman got deprived out of his LIFE'S WORK over a technical definition of what constitutes statutory rape, which is silly. Please remove this nonsense out of the pha

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

> Am 20.09.2019 um 06:45 schrieb James Foster : > > First, my guess is that it was part of the thing they copied and that aspect > might not have gotten as much thought as you’ve given it. > That is right. I wondered myself about the last part but did not think about it too much. > Second, t