Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Norbert, you are right, I should have given an example of what I mean. So here is one: If you serialize an object graph to, say, json and store it in a NoSQL DB, you need to decide how "deep" you serialize your graph into one djson document and how to build up segments of your graph that need

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Joachim, thanks for your explanation. I appreciate that. I was thinking if it is a good idea to write my mail. Usually this ends in a holy war which I don’t want. Comments inline. Am 25.04.2014 um 09:02 schrieb jtuc...@objektfabrik.de: > Norbert, > > you are right, I should have given an exam

Re: [Pharo-users] We need *you* for the upcoming Pharo's website

Hi kilon, On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM, kilon alios wrote: > Well I tried, several times , but I am not happy with the end result. In any > case I am finished with this and since I promised to upload it here it is > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol5ivaEATLQ I love it, really. It shows pl

Re: [Pharo-users] We need *you* for the upcoming Pharo's website

On 25 Apr 2014, at 10:35, Damien Cassou wrote: > Hi kilon, > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM, kilon alios wrote: >> Well I tried, several times , but I am not happy with the end result. In any >> case I am finished with this and since I promised to upload it here it is >> >> https://www.you

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Hi Norbert, I am way too old for holy wars ;-) So in essence, we are both saying that hammering objects into either an SQL or NoSQL database can be hard and both approaches have negative drawbacks as well as plusses. I didn't come up with Transactions because they also can make things hard. S

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

On 25 Apr 2014, at 10:58, jtuc...@objektfabrik.de wrote: > Hi Norbert, > > I am way too old for holy wars ;-) > > So in essence, we are both saying that hammering objects into either an SQL > or NoSQL database can be hard and both approaches have negative drawbacks as > well as plusses. > I

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Joachim, Am 25.04.2014 um 10:58 schrieb jtuc...@objektfabrik.de: > Hi Norbert, > > I am way too old for holy wars ;-) > > So in essence, we are both saying that hammering objects into either an SQL > or NoSQL database can be hard and both approaches have negative drawbacks as > well as plusse

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Slightly off topic but on the other hand it fits perfectly into the discussion: IMHO a very enlightening podcast about RDBMS, NoSQL, NewSQL databases from one of the old database gurus Michael Stonebraker (). Franz Josef Am 2

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Interesting discussion. I'm on the verge of NoSQL databases, I prototyped a system with Voyage but didn't feel confident enough as to continue with it to a production system. One of the things that held me back was the lack of tooling[*] and how hard would it be to change something from "outside"

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

2014-04-25 6:30 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl : > MongoDB is good at indexing geo > spatial stuff. So mongo + voyage is a good fit for this. I need to do > explicit commits and have to do additional house keeping both of them you > don’t need to do in GemStone. But I get the indexing capability I need.

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Seems like Couchbase got SQL for its documents, with joins and many other nice features: http://blog.couchbase.com/n1ql-it-makes-cents I followed the online tutorial and it is pretty impressive. Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-04-25 10:39 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo : > 2014-04-25 6:30 GMT-03:00 N

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

Here is another nice opinion: http://use-the-index-luke.com/blog/2013-04/whats-left-of-nosql On 25 Apr 2014, at 11:52, Franz Josef Konrad wrote: > Slightly off topic but on the other hand it fits perfectly into the > discussion: IMHO a very enlightening podcast about RDBMS, NoSQL, NewSQL >

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

2014-04-25 17:00 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > Here is another nice opinion: > > http://use-the-index-luke.com/blog/2013-04/whats-left-of-nosql Very interesting article Sven. "How many companies really need to cope with data at the scale of Google, Facebook or Twitter? Incidentally three

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

On 25 Apr 2014, at 22:20, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > So coming back to Pharo realm, this is why I think ORM is really > important for us, and I'm really happy this discussion finally took > place. But one of his points was that ORM layers made SQL obsolete by hiding much of its power, the a

Re: [Pharo-users] glorp

2014-04-25 17:44 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 22:20, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > >> So coming back to Pharo realm, this is why I think ORM is really >> important for us, and I'm really happy this discussion finally took >> place. > > But one of his points was that ORM

Re: [Pharo-users] We need *you* for the upcoming Pharo's website

Thank you Damien and Marcus . I was worried about my English, I am glad you find it easy to understand. Just added "How to install Pharo", following the suggestion of Esteban tried to keep it short so its 4 minutes. More are coming, I think I can do a 4 minute video per day. I have created my own