Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-25 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 25 Sep 2014, at 18:27, Pierce Ng wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 06:56:27PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote: >> If you are booting directly into the image, you may find it useful to also >> load CommandShell/OSProcess into your image. This will let you open a >> Smalltalk shell window directly w

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-25 Thread David T. Lewis
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 06:56:27PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote: >> If you are booting directly into the image, you may find it useful to >> also >> load CommandShell/OSProcess into your image. This will let you open a >> Smalltalk shell window directly within your Squeak/Pharo boot image, so >> t

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-25 Thread Pierce Ng
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 06:56:27PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote: > If you are booting directly into the image, you may find it useful to also > load CommandShell/OSProcess into your image. This will let you open a > Smalltalk shell window directly within your Squeak/Pharo boot image, so > that you h

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-21 Thread David T. Lewis
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 06:56:31PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 02:46:04PM +0200, stepharo wrote: > > > > On 20/9/14 08:48, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > >Hello Stepharo, > > > > > >Thanks for writing in the detailed email. > > > > > >Last night I got Pharo to work on my Ubun

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-20 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 02:46:04PM +0200, stepharo wrote: > > On 20/9/14 08:48, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > >Hello Stepharo, > > > >Thanks for writing in the detailed email. > > > >Last night I got Pharo to work on my Ubuntu Server system with minimal X > >and running in full-screen mode without any e

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-20 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 20 Sep 2014, at 06:26, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > I have built Linux systems which fit in 8MB of disk space (along with the > GUI). Google around for "NevyOS". > > Building a tiny Linux system isn't what worries me, it's the probable high > resource consumption of Pharo which is scary. > > W

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
I have built Linux systems which fit in 8MB of disk space (along with the GUI). Google around for "NevyOS". Building a tiny Linux system isn't what worries me, it's the probable high resource consumption of Pharo which is scary. Would Pharo be able to run in the limited compute resources offe

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread S Krish
try the TCL + Pharo stuff. It is simple and easy to hook up. Tiny Core gets it down to around 20 MB for a bare bone linux + Pharo can be similar to Android if one goes down the path. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > Hello, > > While I am still waiting for my copy of the

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread kilon alios
I am impressed :) So much potential here , lovely. On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 12:21 AM, Javier Pimás wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM, kilon alios > wrote: > >> I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers >> > > Actually, it does. The thing is that most

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Javier Pimás
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM, kilon alios wrote: > I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers > Actually, it does. The thing is that most drivers can be written in Smalltalk and glued with very very little assembly. 3 years ago, during our MSc thesis we added drive

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 19 Sep 2014, at 22:23, kilon alios wrote: > via Slang ? nope. no compilations. pure smalltalk. after all… a compiler just translates some code into binary code…. if you can do that directly… why would you need a compiler? > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Hilaire wrote: > Le 19/

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread kilon alios
via Slang ? On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Hilaire wrote: > Le 19/09/2014 21:41, kilon alios a écrit : > >> I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers >> >> > it does/did. > > -- > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu > > >

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Hilaire
Le 19/09/2014 21:41, kilon alios a écrit : I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers it does/did. -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Luc Fabresse
Hi all, I do not remember all the details but most of SqueakNOS has been written in Smalltalk! even some drivers ;-) http://squeaknos.blogspot.ch/ Cheers, #Luc 2014-09-19 21:41 GMT+02:00 kilon alios : > I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers > > > On Fri, Sep 1

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread kilon alios
I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > Yes, that's something I would have loved to have, a single language to > program everything, right from the drivers to user interface and > applications. > > SqueakNO

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
Yes, that's something I would have loved to have, a single language to program everything, right from the drivers to user interface and applications. SqueakNOS looks very interesting, but still is way behind a combination of Linux kernel + X + Pharo in terms of hardware support and maturity.

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
Yes, it must have been Squeak, it's VM is capable of displaying to the Linux framebuffer. I had run tests on it around 2002~3, looked good, but crashed often. ~Mayuresh On 2014-09-20 00:31, Hilaire wrote: Once I tested it, not sure was Squeak or Pharo, running under the Console FrameBuffer.

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Hilaire
Once I tested it, not sure was Squeak or Pharo, running under the Console FrameBuffer. So your basic workstation can just be a Console only Linux (no X window). Hilaire Le 19/09/2014 18:18, Mayuresh Kathe a écrit : Hello, While I am still waiting for my copy of the PBE, I would like to initia

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Sure is. You want to use OSProcess. Load OSProcess from the configuration browser. You can get environment variables like this: dirString:= OSProcess thisOSProcess environment at: #PRJ_DIR. Check this thread: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.pharo.user/12496 Example: comma

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
My ultimate goal (has been for a long time) is to build a low cost, computing system which can be as deeply programmable as possible. At the moment, my goal is to not only learn and start contributing back to Pharo, but also make progress in making it as reachable and accessible to learners as pos

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

2014-09-19 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Just wondering: what are your initial requirements that make you define this project? Cheers, Alexandre On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > Hello, > > While I am still waiting for my copy of the PBE, I would like to > initiate work on a project (along with friends). > > The