Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-29 Thread Tudor Girba
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > The code works fine in Pharo 7.0. I just tried the following: > 1. wget -O- get.pharo.org/alpha+vm | bash > > Ah, sorry. I always forgot update. No problem. I am happy that it works :). Doru > > 2. > Iceberg enableMetacelloIntegra

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-29 Thread Denis Kudriashov
> > The code works fine in Pharo 7.0. I just tried the following: > 1. wget -O- get.pharo.org/alpha+vm | bash > Ah, sorry. I always forgot update. > 2. > Iceberg enableMetacelloIntegration: true. > Metacello new >baseline: 'GToolkit'; >repository: 'github://feenkcom/gtoolkit/src'; >l

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-29 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Denis, Thanks for the feedback! As I mentioned, this is a pre-alpha :). Our main focus was on exploring that the design works in breadth. There are indeed, detailed issues that do not work yet, and there are edge cases for navigation and insertion/deletion that are still open issues. In Bl

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-28 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Stephan, 2017-08-28 10:50 GMT+02:00 stephan : > On 26-08-17 18:38, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > For me, it has the same effect: the editor isn't in a single place >> anymore. You may consider it doesn't matter; IMHO it does matter (and it >> makes for me the Newspeak editor slightly less efficie

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-28 Thread stephan
On 26-08-17 18:38, Thierry Goubier wrote: For me, it has the same effect: the editor isn't in a single place anymore. You may consider it doesn't matter; IMHO it does matter (and it makes for me the Newspeak editor slightly less efficient; the same that the Smalltalk system browser seemed more

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-28 Thread Thierry Goubier
2017-08-28 9:15 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > On Aug 27, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > > > > Hi Doru, > > > > thanks for the explanation... > > > > I'll end up with three questions: > > > > - What makes Bloc different compared to the InterViews and Amulet > toolkits? And Unid

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-28 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 27, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > > Hi Doru, > > thanks for the explanation... > > I'll end up with three questions: > > - What makes Bloc different compared to the InterViews and Amulet toolkits? > And Unidraw? Bloc is a low level GUI framework. The widgets and

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-27 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Doru, thanks for the explanation... I'll end up with three questions: - What makes Bloc different compared to the InterViews and Amulet toolkits? And Unidraw? - Will some of your workflows enables exploration of parallel, non-deterministic programs? - Will we be able to have non-linear exec

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-27 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Thierry, Indeed, you noticed correctly that we stayed away from the code browser. We found several years ago that Morphic was too limiting. During the Spotter implementation we found ourselves having to construct a mini-Morphic in order to do what we wanted to do. With text we had several p

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-27 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Doru, 2017-08-27 9:24 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba : > Hi, > > > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:06 AM, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > > > > Hi Tim, > > > > 2017-08-26 23:27 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon : > > I think you pose some interesting design challenges - but it's worthy of > experimentation. > > > > I share D

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-27 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:06 AM, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > 2017-08-26 23:27 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon : > I think you pose some interesting design challenges - but it's worthy of > experimentation. > > I share Denis' enthusiasm to build something better - but it's true it's n

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Thierry Goubier
Hi Tim, 2017-08-26 23:27 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon : > I think you pose some interesting design challenges - but it's worthy of > experimentation. > > I share Denis' enthusiasm to build something better - but it's true it's > not an easy problem space. > > I'm a big fan of GTInspector, but sometime

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I think you pose some interesting design challenges - but it's worthy of experimentation. I share Denis' enthusiasm to build something better - but it's true it's not an easy problem space. I'm a big fan of GTInspector, but sometimes I slide across and lose my context (not always, and not for

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Thierry Goubier
2017-08-26 15:44 GMT+02:00 Denis Kudriashov : > No Thierry, Newspeak do not allow it. And it not looks similar to what I > want. > Hum, you would still get the same overall approach: editor inside editor (or view inside view). Now, you can say it is not the same, up to you. For me, it has the sa

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Denis Kudriashov
No Thierry, Newspeak do not allow it. And it not looks similar to what I want. Now command+click on selector opens implementors window. In past it moved browser to single implementor. It was nice and it is how other IDEs are working. But as Tim notice it always loses context. And it is quite diffi

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I'd forgotten about the newspeak browser - it was ages ago that I had a look, will try it again. My hunch is you want both - inline and new window sometimes. But as we're firing on all cylinders lately - revising old ideas is no bad thing and maybe we can do them better as things are starting

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Thierry Goubier
2017-08-26 14:46 GMT+02:00 Denis Kudriashov : > > 2017-08-26 14:31 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon : > >> Denis - that's a very cool idea if I've understood you - expand in the >> source code of the current method, literally inline? So you could scroll up >> and down to view the context as you expand it o

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable editor - with expandable elements

2017-08-26 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, This is achieved through the integration in Morphic we announced a couple of months ago. Now, Sparta offers: - two backends: Moz2D and Cairo - two host systems: SDL2 and Morphic By default, Bloc ships with Sparta working on Cairo and Morphic, and with this you can use any Bloc element insid