Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Erik Stel
Richard, Richard O'Keefe wrote > This sounds a lot like Craig Latta's "Spoon". > Probably worth talking to him about it. In the past I had some interest in Spoon, but it seems inactive now in favour of Caffeine and Naiad (the module system for Spoon). Spoon is not open source btw. Spoon & Naiad

Re: [Pharo-users] [Demo]: Remote Control Mac Apps (like OBS) via Pharo on iOS

2020-04-16 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Pretty cool! Thanks a lot for sharing. It's cool to see the long lasting implications of the Dynabook (and I finally can put a face to your mails). Now I'm wondering how to emulate part of this setup with Android and Linux. Cheers, Offray On 16/04/20 6:11 a. m., Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > I use

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Pavel Krivanek
We are not fighting successfully against the accidental complexity. On the other hand, the count of classes is not really meaningful value. Pharo has about 1700 test classes, there are rules, manifests and baselines. The Opal and AST-Core has much more classes than the old compiler for good reasons

Re: [Pharo-users] [Demo]: Remote Control Mac Apps (like OBS) via Pharo on iOS

2020-04-16 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Nice one Sean - didn’t recognise you with the moustache though ;) It hadn’t occurred to me to link in to some AppleScript to make things happen - great observation. > On 16 Apr 2020, at 12:11, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > I used Pharo to turn an iPhone into a tethered remote control for apps on

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Hilaire
Le 16/04/2020 à 14:23, Richard O'Keefe a écrit : I'm not sure what "descendants of Smalltalk-80" means. Obviously, I mean the Apple' Smalltalk-80 Squeak takes its origin from. I should have write that. Smalltalk is simple enough, it's just that things we need to talk to are insanely complex

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Richard O'Keefe
I'm not sure what "descendants of Smalltalk-80" means. Surely it should include VisualWorks (2994 classes) and GNU Smalltalk (248 classes in the kernel) and Dolphin Smalltalk (2164). My Smalltalk is recognisably a descendant of Smalltalk-80, and the test build has 985 classes I'm not sure what the

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Norbert Hartl
A vision is not a state-of-the-art description. If we would target a minimal system we still can have a bloated one. And the number of classes in the system is not a metric of understandability. Otherwise providing more tools for people to look onto code and understand would be a contradiction

Re: [Pharo-users] [Demo]: Remote Control Mac Apps (like OBS) via Pharo on iOS

2020-04-16 Thread Guillermo Polito
That’s cool :) thanks for sharing! > El 16 abr 2020, a las 13:11, Sean P. DeNigris > escribió: > > I used Pharo to turn an iPhone into a tethered remote control for apps on my > Macbook Pro. Code available on GitHub. Here's a video in case anyone finds > it interesting: https://youtu.be/z59FWpv

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Richard O'Keefe
This sounds a lot like Craig Latta's "Spoon". Probably worth talking to him about it. On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 07:48, Erik Stel wrote: > > Hi Cedreek, > > (Part of this I mentioned on Discord as well, but not all readers will be on > Discord) > > I'm working with a tiny Smalltalk image (currently a

[Pharo-users] [Demo]: Remote Control Mac Apps (like OBS) via Pharo on iOS

2020-04-16 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
I used Pharo to turn an iPhone into a tethered remote control for apps on my Macbook Pro. Code available on GitHub. Here's a video in case anyone finds it interesting: https://youtu.be/z59FWpv4_GA NB: Could be made wireless with a Duet Display Air subscription. - Cheers, Sean -- Sent from:

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Hilaire
I forgot the graph: Now, will Pharo9 reach the sky with *10'000* classes? Very likely if you observe the graph below: -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Hilaire
As a matter of fact it is interesting to compare the number of classes in the last releases of the descendants of Smalltalk 80: * Cuis5 (480 classes), * Squeak 5.2 (2713 classes) * Pharo8 (*9084 *classes) I don't think the last Pharo vision statement: /A system with robust abstractions t

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Which is always available in any Pharo image as Help > Pharo Zen > On 16 Apr 2020, at 12:04, Hilaire wrote: > > Hi Cédrick, > > Remember the Pharo vision back in 2005. > > Pharo Zen > Our values and convictions are condensed in this simple list. > Easy to understand, easy to learn from, easy t

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimality

2020-04-16 Thread Hilaire
Hi Cédrick, Remember the Pharo vision back in 2005. Pharo Zen Our values and convictions are condensed in this simple list. Easy to understand, easy to learn from, easy to change. Objects all the way down. Examples to learn from. Fully dynamic and malleable. Beauty in the code, beauty in the com