Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Roelof Wobben
Hello Ricard O'  Keefe For my exercism is a way of practising smalltalk and get familair with the concepts. So sometimes for me totally new concepts like Double Dispatch.  so in your questions some of the thirth and fourth question. And I try to sol

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Richard O'Keefe
PS: in this thread nobody has disagreed about what OO programming is. The disagreement was about *how to apply it*. There actually seems to be quite a lot of agreement that the answer depends on what your underlying goal is: - is this throw-away code for a specific problem? - is this code to be i

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Andres Valloud
Perhaps what's been unsaid in this thread is that sometimes exercises put some solution above all others (because it's presented as "the" answer). On the one hand, maybe the messages here make it seem like there's no single answer, as if the language was at fault. On the other hand, one learns

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Richard O'Keefe
Please don't quit Smalltalk. I never said not to use classes. That would be insane. I said that *this specific exercise* is one where *extra classes do not pay off. This is in no way whatsoever a debate about Pharo or Smalltalk. We'd be having exactly the same discussion in a list devoted to Java,

Re: [Pharo-users] Baseline subclasses

2019-04-24 Thread Dale Henrichs
On 4/24/19 3:08 PM, Norbert Hartl wrote: I don‘t have an idea how to achieve this with a group. It is about changing the number of dependencies of one package. There's load order and there's grouping... If you are using #linear loads for a BaselineOf then hard dependencies (Metacello requi

Re: [Pharo-users] Baseline subclasses

2019-04-24 Thread Norbert Hartl
> Am 24.04.2019 um 19:40 schrieb Dale Henrichs > : > > Do I understand you correctly that the BaselineOfWhiteLabelProduct is a > subclass of BaselineOfCoreProduct? > Yes as I wrote. > If so, I have no idea what would happen and it certainly has never been > tested ... and as I think about

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] (Re)Introducing Mars (Spec 2.0 Gtk3 bindings)

2019-04-24 Thread TedVanGaalen
@Esteban: Of course you are right that there are cases a standalone app would be more convenient e.g. as you mentioned: graphical (image processing) apps, digital audio workstations, like Cubase. In most cases these are the kind of apps that deal with personal (local) data, which mostly is not con

Re: [Pharo-users] Baseline subclasses

2019-04-24 Thread Dale Henrichs
Do I understand you correctly that the BaselineOfWhiteLabelProduct is a subclass of BaselineOfCoreProduct? If so, I have no idea what would happen and it certainly has never been tested ... and as I think about this I can see that there would definitely be problems ... I think you are lucky th

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Roelof Wobben
Thanks all. Because of all the differences of oponion here what Object Oriented is and im still very stuck at some exercises of exercism , I have to decide to quit smalltalk. One says to not use classes , the other says use classes. im more and more confused. Maybe later I come back when I

[Pharo-users] Baseline subclasses

2019-04-24 Thread Norbert Hartl
I’m trying to customize our current project with multiple baselines meaning BaselineOfCoreProduct and BaselineOfWhiteLabelProduct. The latter is a subclass of the former. My problem is that I don’t know which way to choose for loading because Metacello new baseline: #WhiteLabelProduct l

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 7.0.3 dialog information at startup

2019-04-24 Thread Ben Coman
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 19:14, Trussardi Dario Romano wrote: > > Ciao, > > i download the last Pharo 70 image ( on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system ) > > with the commannd: wget -O- https://get.pharo.org/64/70+vm | bash > > > When i launch the relative ./pharo-ui > > after the opening the Pharo window >

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Ben Coman
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 16:52, Richard O'Keefe wrote: > The one method needed to solve the problem is 18 lines. > The test code, including all available test cases, is 27 > lines, of which 18 lines is the test data. Tests were > needed primarily to sort out what the problem actually *was*; > exerc

Re: [Pharo-users] OneClick image

2019-04-24 Thread Noury Bouraqadi
Thanks Esteban and Vincent. > On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:19, > wrote: > > Hi Noury, > > Last year there was such an initiative that has been launched to package > Pharo apps: https://github.com/VincentBlondeau/Cruiser > It is supporting only windows for now, but it planned to be enhanced for >

[Pharo-users] Pharo 7.0.3 dialog information at startup

2019-04-24 Thread Trussardi Dario Romano
Ciao, i download the last Pharo 70 image ( on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system ) with the commannd: wget -O- https://get.pharo.org/64/70+vm | bash When i launch the relative ./pharo-ui after the opening the Pharo window the Pharo sy

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Richard O'Keefe
TL;DR version: "But if the purpose of problems is to lead students in new ways of thinking about structuring OO solutions for maintainability" That is not the purpose of the exercism problems. It would be very good if somebody did craft such a set of exercises, and Pharo would be a very good

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

2019-04-24 Thread Richard O'Keefe
Let me tell you a story. The story is about someone I knew back when I was doing my MSc. He was really bright, but he had to repeat a year in the papers part of his MSc. Why? Because he didn't get statistics. Differential equations? No problem. Topology? No problem. Operations research (which wa

Re: [Pharo-users] OneClick image

2019-04-24 Thread vincent.blondeau
Hi Noury, Last year there was such an initiative that has been launched to package Pharo apps: https://github.com/VincentBlondeau/Cruiser It is supporting only windows for now, but it planned to be enhanced for other platforms. It is not on my priorities list yet, but I will work on it again fo

Re: [Pharo-users] OneClick image

2019-04-24 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, It never worked for Pharo, because is more intended to applications (it was developed for Sofie). So we replaced it with the platform distributions (one zip for platform) and the one-click became the “portable” version, but this approach also didn’t work and that’s why we ended with the P

[Pharo-users] OneClick image

2019-04-24 Thread N. Bouraqadi
Hi, Few years ago, there was a zip file called 'oneclick' that included everything to run Pharo on all 3 major OSes. All one had to do is unzip it, and launch a script that opens the image. What happen to that? Any idea why it isn't generated anymore? Noury