I think you got this the wrong way
Sure emacs and vim are very popular when compared to Pharo.
When compared to IDEs oh boy , that's another story.
There is a reason why their hardcore user are so desperate to call them
IDEs and is not because they like IDEs, they dont.
They hate IDEs.
Text based
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 08:29:46PM +0530, K K Subbu wrote:
> Nice clip - short and sweet. You may want to point people to about chunk
> file format in the description to alert people who may break chunk syntax by
> accident and get confused when fileIn breaks (been there, done that :-().
Maybe Est
I'm a long-time lurker on this list, and still more of an
intermediate-squeaker (is that a word?) rather than pharo (although I
have used this off and on since pharo-5), so I feel like a bit of an
imposter jumping into this thread (long-time lisper).
That said, and without wishing to ruffle any fe
El jue., 24 ene. 2019 a las 13:18, Sven Van Caekenberghe ()
escribió:
>
>
> > On 24 Jan 2019, at 17:04, K K Subbu wrote:
> >
> > On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
> >> Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but
> >> really, why the hell would you want to do
Thank you very much.
Just to be clear, even if I'd love to be able to do such things, working in
Pharo is far from being a pain. Those things are just "nice to have".
Even if I don't find easy ways to do what I'd like to, I can always do it
myself, my way. Furthermore, it'd be good for me to do so
yeah the System Browser has some shortcuts that you can find if you click
that down arrow in top right corner of the window
About getting Window info, that is tricky, all is available through Morphic
but Morphic is kinda messy. So if you are willing to do the hard work its
definetly doable , you c
I don't want to hijack this thread, but it would be useful for me to have a
cheatsheet to allow me to do the usual operations I do with the mouse,
programatically. I've had some difficulties with simple things in the past.
For example, to delete all Transcript or Playground windows, I use calls
suc
Playground is a REPL inside Pharo so I am not sure I understand what you
are asking. Everything in Pharo is just Classes and methods so you can do
whatever you want. If you are a bit more descriptive maybe I can help you
more. There is no such thing as a bad idea, just an idea that has not
mature e
I was aware of that. I was imaging a way to use the tools available in
Pharo, but within a REPL session.
Probably a bad idea anyway. I just think the mouse is useful when
exploring, but it's ridiculously inefficient once you know exactly what you
want to do.
In my 4k monitor I often feel like if I
"I am sure there will always be skeptics. But my own experience was
different. For me, the most weird thing about Squeak (and now Pharo) IDE
is its insistence in showing only one method at a time. A method is too
small a chunk of code. It is easy to miss the forest for the trees. In
Dimitris video,
I am one of those that Dimitris Chloupis calls "shortcut guys". Actually, I
think using the mouse is a performance killer.
I agree with the argument that editing files instead of manipulating the
image wouldn't make sense, if I could edit code as fast as I do in Emacs or
Vim. In those editors, you
Hi Lorenzo,
Nice to meet you again, after some tens of years.
AS you may remember I've ported, ... 20 years ago ..., a Digitalk VOS/2
big app to
Visualage/Windows. Using an Apple Smalltalk as intermediate host.
As you can figure, it was mainly a syntax work, i.e. :
- working out an Apple Smal
On 24/01/19 9:47 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 24 Jan 2019, at 17:04, K K Subbu wrote:
On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want,
but really, why the hell would you want to do that ?
Because text has many uses other
64 bit is finally here, amazing work guys, I was thinking making a torrent
client of sorts with Pharo using libtorrent library
https://www.libtorrent.org/
To anyone who has not tried the FFI , you should even if you dont care
about C its amazingly well designed , so kudos to Esteban, Igor and whoe
Personally I like the idea of turning this into a static web site, static
websites can use bootstrap so they can play well with mobile devices too
and then its easy to host on Github or Gitlab or whatever and avoid such
pains. It will also make it much easier to manage. But hey I am nowhere
near to
"Honestly, Pharo without the environment (and the “live objects” approach)
is just another dynamic language without much interest.
Thinking the IDE is just autocompletion is a poor idea of what a live
environment can do for you."
And I repeat once more, I NEVER said use external editor instead of
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 17:04, K K Subbu wrote:
>
> On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>> Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but
>> really, why the hell would you want to do that ?
> Because text has many uses other than just feeding into a compiler for
Hi.
I just stumbled across this:
https://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/Programmiersprache-Pharo-7-0-tauscht-zahlreiche-Komponenten-aus-4285162.html
Very cool :)
Doru
--
www.feenk.com
"You can inspect and adapt only what is explicit."
On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but
really, why the hell would you want to do that ?
Because text has many uses other than just feeding into a compiler for
translation to machine code? People who come from Unix/Linux
Hi,
I am a very old Smalltalk user; I have developed TONS of application with
Digitalk's VSE; some of them are used by more hundreds clients.
Can you tell me if there is any possibility to embed my VSE applications
into Pharo without rewriting them?
My goal would be to use Pharo for my new applica
On 24/01/19 4:40 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
Actually not only you can do it, its also very easy. So the following
video tutorial explains in the first 3 minutes how to do this and then
spends another 10 min talking about how this could be automated to be
completely automatic and instantaneous
Honestly, Pharo without the environment (and the “live objects” approach) is
just another dynamic language without much interest.
Thinking the IDE is just autocompletion is a poor idea of what a live
environment can do for you.
Esteban
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
>
>
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
>
> "Thank you! I'm one of those"
> "wow.. thank you :D"
>
> "Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really,
> why the hell would you want to do that ?"
>
> I can think a few million reasons. Vim and Emacs for e
"Thank you! I'm one of those"
"wow.. thank you :D"
"Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really,
why the hell would you want to do that ?"
I can think a few million reasons. Vim and Emacs for example with tons of
internal and external tools , handling code, documentat
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:12, Craig wrote:
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of
> Sven Van Caekenberghe
> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:53
> To: Any question about pharo is welcome
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [VI
Sven asks an important question: why would anyone want to use an external
text editor given the power already present in the system? For most of us
on the list this question is rhetorical. But let's take a stab at
addressing it with the seriousness that, I think, it actually deserves —
particularly
-Original Message-
From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of
Sven Van Caekenberghe
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:53
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors
to code in Pharo
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 12:10, Dimitris Chloupis wrote:
>
> Often we have users of emacs and vim that request a way to use their favorite
> shortcuts or features. Some even ask "Would not be nice if I could use my
> favorite code editor with Pharo ?"
>
> Actually not only you can do it, its al
wow.. thank you :D
Thank you! I'm one of those.
El jue., 24 ene. 2019 a las 12:11, Dimitris Chloupis ()
escribió:
> Often we have users of emacs and vim that request a way to use their
> favorite shortcuts or features. Some even ask "Would not be nice if I could
> use my favorite code editor with Pharo ?"
>
> Actua
Often we have users of emacs and vim that request a way to use their
favorite shortcuts or features. Some even ask "Would not be nice if I could
use my favorite code editor with Pharo ?"
Actually not only you can do it, its also very easy. So the following video
tutorial explains in the first 3 mi
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:38 AM Tim Mackinnon wrote:
>
> I opened for comma separated Smalltalk, Pharo (in the language section is
> does say others(s) with an s).
I did the same.
>
> Also don’t forget Gemstone and Seaside for db and web frameworks.
>
> Tim
>
>
--
Cyril Ferlicot
https://fer
I opened for comma separated Smalltalk, Pharo (in the language section is does
say others(s) with an s).
Also don’t forget Gemstone and Seaside for db and web frameworks.
Tim
> On 23 Jan 2019, at 22:50, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The 2019 Stack Overflow Survey is available.
>
> It
Are we calling it Smalltalk or Pharo or the hyphenated version?
Possibly there is more push in just Smalltalk so we join forces with our
colleagues in the VA/VW/Squeak worlds?
> On 23 Jan 2019, at 22:50, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The 2019 Stack Overflow Survey is available.
>
> It
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