Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I think you got this the wrong way Sure emacs and vim are very popular when compared to Pharo. When compared to IDEs oh boy , that's another story. There is a reason why their hardcore user are so desperate to call them IDEs and is not because they like IDEs, they dont. They hate IDEs. Text based

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Pierce Ng
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 08:29:46PM +0530, K K Subbu wrote: > Nice clip - short and sweet. You may want to point people to about chunk > file format in the description to alert people who may break chunk syntax by > accident and get confused when fileIn breaks (been there, done that :-(). Maybe Est

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Imran Rafique
I'm a long-time lurker on this list, and still more of an intermediate-squeaker (is that a word?) rather than pharo (although I have used this off and on since pharo-5), so I feel like a bit of an imposter jumping into this thread (long-time lisper). That said, and without wishing to ruffle any fe

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
El jue., 24 ene. 2019 a las 13:18, Sven Van Caekenberghe () escribió: > > > > On 24 Jan 2019, at 17:04, K K Subbu wrote: > > > > On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but > >> really, why the hell would you want to do

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Jose San Leandro
Thank you very much. Just to be clear, even if I'd love to be able to do such things, working in Pharo is far from being a pain. Those things are just "nice to have". Even if I don't find easy ways to do what I'd like to, I can always do it myself, my way. Furthermore, it'd be good for me to do so

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
yeah the System Browser has some shortcuts that you can find if you click that down arrow in top right corner of the window About getting Window info, that is tricky, all is available through Morphic but Morphic is kinda messy. So if you are willing to do the hard work its definetly doable , you c

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Jose San Leandro
I don't want to hijack this thread, but it would be useful for me to have a cheatsheet to allow me to do the usual operations I do with the mouse, programatically. I've had some difficulties with simple things in the past. For example, to delete all Transcript or Playground windows, I use calls suc

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Playground is a REPL inside Pharo so I am not sure I understand what you are asking. Everything in Pharo is just Classes and methods so you can do whatever you want. If you are a bit more descriptive maybe I can help you more. There is no such thing as a bad idea, just an idea that has not mature e

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Jose San Leandro
I was aware of that. I was imaging a way to use the tools available in Pharo, but within a REPL session. Probably a bad idea anyway. I just think the mouse is useful when exploring, but it's ridiculously inefficient once you know exactly what you want to do. In my 4k monitor I often feel like if I

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
"I am sure there will always be skeptics. But my own experience was different. For me, the most weird thing about Squeak (and now Pharo) IDE is its insistence in showing only one method at a time. A method is too small a chunk of code. It is easy to miss the forest for the trees. In Dimitris video,

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Jose San Leandro
I am one of those that Dimitris Chloupis calls "shortcut guys". Actually, I think using the mouse is a performance killer. I agree with the argument that editing files instead of manipulating the image wouldn't make sense, if I could edit code as fast as I do in Emacs or Vim. In those editors, you

Re: [Pharo-users] How to embed VSE application into Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Davide Grandi
Hi Lorenzo, Nice to meet you again, after some tens of years. AS you may remember I've ported, ... 20 years ago ..., a Digitalk VOS/2 big app to Visualage/Windows. Using an Apple Smalltalk as intermediate host. As you can figure, it was mainly a syntax work, i.e. : - working out an Apple Smal

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread K K Subbu
On 24/01/19 9:47 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: On 24 Jan 2019, at 17:04, K K Subbu wrote: On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really, why the hell would you want to do that ? Because text has many uses other

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 7.0 released!

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
64 bit is finally here, amazing work guys, I was thinking making a torrent client of sorts with Pharo using libtorrent library https://www.libtorrent.org/ To anyone who has not tried the FFI , you should even if you dont care about C its amazingly well designed , so kudos to Esteban, Igor and whoe

Re: [Pharo-users] Website is down

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Personally I like the idea of turning this into a static web site, static websites can use bootstrap so they can play well with mobile devices too and then its easy to host on Github or Gitlab or whatever and avoid such pains. It will also make it much easier to manage. But hey I am nowhere near to

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
"Honestly, Pharo without the environment (and the “live objects” approach) is just another dynamic language without much interest. Thinking the IDE is just autocompletion is a poor idea of what a live environment can do for you." And I repeat once more, I NEVER said use external editor instead of

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 17:04, K K Subbu wrote: > > On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but >> really, why the hell would you want to do that ? > Because text has many uses other than just feeding into a compiler for

[Pharo-users] pharo announcement in heise.de

2019-01-24 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi. I just stumbled across this: https://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/Programmiersprache-Pharo-7-0-tauscht-zahlreiche-Komponenten-aus-4285162.html Very cool :) Doru -- www.feenk.com "You can inspect and adapt only what is explicit."

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread K K Subbu
On 24/01/19 7:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really, why the hell would you want to do that ? Because text has many uses other than just feeding into a compiler for translation to machine code? People who come from Unix/Linux

[Pharo-users] How to embed VSE application into Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Lorenzo Schiavina
Hi, I am a very old Smalltalk user; I have developed TONS of application with Digitalk's VSE; some of them are used by more hundreds clients. Can you tell me if there is any possibility to embed my VSE applications into Pharo without rewriting them? My goal would be to use Pharo for my new applica

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread K K Subbu
On 24/01/19 4:40 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: Actually not only you can do it, its also very easy. So the following video tutorial explains in the first 3 minutes how to do this and then spends another 10 min talking about how this could be automated to be completely automatic and instantaneous

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Honestly, Pharo without the environment (and the “live objects” approach) is just another dynamic language without much interest. Thinking the IDE is just autocompletion is a poor idea of what a live environment can do for you. Esteban > On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > >

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > "Thank you! I'm one of those" > "wow.. thank you :D" > > "Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really, > why the hell would you want to do that ?" > > I can think a few million reasons. Vim and Emacs for e

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
"Thank you! I'm one of those" "wow.. thank you :D" "Everybody is of course totally free to do whatever they want, but really, why the hell would you want to do that ?" I can think a few million reasons. Vim and Emacs for example with tons of internal and external tools , handling code, documentat

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:12, Craig wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:53 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [VI

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Eric Gade
Sven asks an important question: why would anyone want to use an external text editor given the power already present in the system? For most of us on the list this question is rhetorical. But let's take a stab at addressing it with the seriousness that, I think, it actually deserves — particularly

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Craig
-Original Message- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:53 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 24 Jan 2019, at 12:10, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > Often we have users of emacs and vim that request a way to use their favorite > shortcuts or features. Some even ask "Would not be nice if I could use my > favorite code editor with Pharo ?" > > Actually not only you can do it, its al

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread peter yoo
wow.. thank you :D

Re: [Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Jose San Leandro
Thank you! I'm one of those. El jue., 24 ene. 2019 a las 12:11, Dimitris Chloupis () escribió: > Often we have users of emacs and vim that request a way to use their > favorite shortcuts or features. Some even ask "Would not be nice if I could > use my favorite code editor with Pharo ?" > > Actua

[Pharo-users] [VIDEO TUTORIAL] How to use external code editors to code in Pharo

2019-01-24 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Often we have users of emacs and vim that request a way to use their favorite shortcuts or features. Some even ask "Would not be nice if I could use my favorite code editor with Pharo ?" Actually not only you can do it, its also very easy. So the following video tutorial explains in the first 3 mi

Re: [Pharo-users] 2019 Stack Overflow survey

2019-01-24 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:38 AM Tim Mackinnon wrote: > > I opened for comma separated Smalltalk, Pharo (in the language section is > does say others(s) with an s). I did the same. > > Also don’t forget Gemstone and Seaside for db and web frameworks. > > Tim > > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://fer

Re: [Pharo-users] 2019 Stack Overflow survey

2019-01-24 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I opened for comma separated Smalltalk, Pharo (in the language section is does say others(s) with an s). Also don’t forget Gemstone and Seaside for db and web frameworks. Tim > On 23 Jan 2019, at 22:50, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > > Hi, > > The 2019 Stack Overflow Survey is available. > > It

Re: [Pharo-users] 2019 Stack Overflow survey

2019-01-24 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Are we calling it Smalltalk or Pharo or the hyphenated version? Possibly there is more push in just Smalltalk so we join forces with our colleagues in the VA/VW/Squeak worlds? > On 23 Jan 2019, at 22:50, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > > Hi, > > The 2019 Stack Overflow Survey is available. > > It