Re: [Pharo-users] Namespaces (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

2017-10-19 Thread Jimmie Houchin
Absolutely. I have contemplated giving it a try. But when I go look at the mailing list, it looks like such a lonely place. I still might give it a go. It looks interesting. Jimmie On 10/19/2017 05:20 PM, Ben Coman wrote: btw, are you aware that Newspeak is developed on top of the CogVM that

Re: [Pharo-users] Namespaces (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

2017-10-19 Thread Ben Coman
btw, are you aware that Newspeak is developed on top of the CogVM that Pharo, Squeak, Cuis all share? cheers -ben On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Jimmie Houchin wrote: > I watched this video a year ago and was intrigued. I have not thought > about it deeply and do not know consequences of this

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Ben Coman
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Paulo R. Dellani wrote: > Dear all, > > after using Smalltalk for several years I developed a passion for the > language (how not to?), and Pharo is just so great to develop with. > So thank you guys for keeping this wonderful project running. > > Unfortunately, i

[Pharo-users] Anoying bug fond in Artefact running in Windows 10

2017-10-19 Thread casimiro.barreto
When you insert a jpeg from a file, for some reason the file descriptor (stream) is kept open (at least in the Windows end of things). Then, if a second page is to be generated, the following error is shown: 'MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "reset" is nil PDFJpegElement>>stream: JPEGReadWrit

Re: [Pharo-users] Namespaces (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

2017-10-19 Thread Jimmie Houchin
I watched this video a year ago and was intrigued. I have not thought about it deeply and do not know consequences of this model. However, Gilad is a smart man who has thought deeply about these things and has experienced consequences as a language designer. But it does sound interesting and I

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Jimmie Houchin
In addition to the excellent replies you have already received I would like to offer this from Stack Overflow. In their 2017 Developer Survey,  Smalltalk was the second most loved language at 67% of developers surveyed. This is a regular occurrence. Now if you look at the rest of the survey y

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Stephane Ducasse
This is super easy. - You ask here, - Second then you try to grab the best open-minded guys you know and they will use the super cool mooc and learn Pharo in a week or two. You can tell them that we are not teaching Pharo and still students good in Java learn it before their internships. For a good

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I'm sure this comes up with many less main stream languages - I think there is a strong argument (particularly if we get the GitHub piece operating smoothly) that the language is so simple that what you creating is domain understanding (not language/tools prowess). Any good developer (particula

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I would have followed the Python approach. When Guido created Python , it did not try to convince his co-workers about how superior it was compared to other languages. At the time he did not intend to use it even as programming language. That worked to his advantage. Instead it used it for small t

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread itli...@schrievkrom.de
Hello Paulo, its a problem to get Smalltalkers - simple as it is. I had contacts with Smalltalkers who wanted to do Smalltalk-"only" jobs - thats impossible to guarantee in a smaller company and perhaps a mind I would not expect from Smalltalker. And the point about "Main Development Language" ..

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Davorin Rusevljan
One way to address this issue is to factor in your development grooming of young Smalltalk developers, which can act as pool of potential full developers for your project. If you can add some of your domain specific issues to their grooming, you could increase your project HR safety quite a lot. D

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread James Ladd
Nice response Sent from my Commodore 64 > On 19 Oct 2017, at 7:02 pm, Sebastian Heidbrink wrote: > > Hi Paulo, > > I think this is not the right question to ask. > The problem is not "Where to find Smalltalk developers?", the problem is > rather > "How much effort does it take to help a good

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread stephan
On 19-10-17 09:04, Paulo R. Dellani wrote: Unfortunately, it is not easy to always point out why Smalltalk should be employed as "main development language" in a team or for a project. In the last discussion of this sort I was confronted with the question "where are we going to get new smalltalk

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Sebastian Heidbrink via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- Hi Paulo, I think this is not the right question to ask. The problem is not "Where to find Smalltalk developers?", the problem is rather "How much effort does it take to help a good experienced OO developer to transition to Smalltalk?" OO developers have to steadily gain

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread James Ladd
Hi Paulo, That is a really good question and I hope to do it justice. What if you chose Elixir, Ruby, Closure, Go or Pony or Smalltalk - where would you get developers? There is some validity to this question as it can be hard to get developers but in Smalltalk’s case there is a heritage that

[Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

2017-10-19 Thread Paulo R. Dellani
Dear all, after using Smalltalk for several years I developed a passion for the language (how not to?), and Pharo is just so great to develop with. So thank you guys for keeping this wonderful project running. Unfortunately, it is not easy to always point out why Smalltalk should be employed as "