Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

On 11/7/16 11:42 AM, Nicolas Passerini wrote: 2016-11-07 15:30 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier >: Thierry, If I'm not mistaken, Esteban is referring to the fact that in FileTree we are still using Monticello to do the load of the packages a

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

On 11/7/16 11:30 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote: Hi Dale, 2016-11-07 12:03 GMT+01:00 Dale Henrichs >: On 11/7/16 7:15 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote: 2016-11-07 11:05 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano mailto:esteba...@gmail.com>>: On 7 Nov 20

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

On 7 November 2016 at 10:22, Nicolai Hess wrote: > My opinion is not that themes are not important, but that it looks out of > context in this chapter. > Also think of the print version. The print quality via Lulu is not great for grayscale images, so screenshots in light text over dark backgrou

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

2016-11-07 8:47 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess : > Am 06.11.2016 21:04 schrieb "Dimitris Chloupis" : > > > > yeah as I said the chapter needs a complete rewrite. I am not even it is > necessary to exist separately. > > > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:27 PM Nicolai Hess > wrote: > >> > >> 2016-11-03 15:11 GM

Re: [Pharo-users] [UFFI] How to get a string from the a void pointer

AT LAST I DID IT!!! The problem was that I was not storing a crucial value for an instance variable , so the void pointer was wrong. Corrected and I can see now the "hello" string inside Pharo :) Now I can exchange data between C++ and Pharo and use that to call C++ functions/methods inside

[Pharo-users] [UFFI] How to get a string from the a void pointer

So I managed to port all C++ functions to pharo, which basically includes the following Not full definition of function open() lseek() close() mmap() I have tested them all, they all return proper values from inside Pharo and Pharo does not crash. it seems also that mmap works because it return

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo desktop UI

Ok, i understand. The Spec famework is under development so it changes frequently. Regarding my problem - thanks to Denis Kudriashov - the solution is simple: initializeWidgets ... locationField := LocationFieldMorph new asSpecAdapter. "adding these two lines below force

Re: [Pharo-users] Speed up JPG images loading

--- Begin Message --- Hi Sven, my test are close to yours, so there's nothing wrong with my image. [ Form fromFileNamed: 'pharo.png' ] benchFor: 10 seconds. "a BenchmarkResult(708 iterations in 10 seconds 4 milliseconds. 70.772 per second)" In case, I'll follow your hin

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

Hi, On 07/11/16 02:50, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: [...] What I mean is that we can help any transition, but at the end there is no way of having a “nice, coexisting” ecosystem: we will have one OR the other, or something that does not works at all, but we will not have seamlessly one AND the o

[Pharo-users] Iceberg/GitFileTree (was Re: about balkanisation)

Nicolas, I changed the subject, it seems appropriate. 2016-11-07 16:56 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Passerini : > > 2016-11-07 16:26 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier : > >> >>> The problem I found is that in order to recreate sequential numbers, you >>> have to load all commits into the image. >>> >> >> Why? GitFi

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 16:26 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier : > >> The problem I found is that in order to recreate sequential numbers, you >> have to load all commits into the image. >> > > Why? GitFileTree doesn't need to do that at all! Well, you know the code: > it just ask git log to rebuild the parent / chil

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 16:13 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Passerini : > > I started creating version names using the unix date (the number of > seconds since 1970), which allows me to provide version numbers without > complex calculations and without breaking Monticello. > > Numbers are not nice but we do not use them a

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 15:59 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier : > 2016-11-07 15:42 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Passerini : > >> >> 2016-11-07 15:30 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier : >> >>> Thierry, If I'm not mistaken, Esteban is referring to the fact that in FileTree we are still using Monticello to do the load of the package

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 15:42 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Passerini : > > 2016-11-07 15:30 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier : > >> Thierry, If I'm not mistaken, Esteban is referring to the fact that in >>> FileTree we are still using Monticello to do the load of the packages and >>> even when we are running metadataless, we en

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 15:30 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier : > Thierry, If I'm not mistaken, Esteban is referring to the fact that in >> FileTree we are still using Monticello to do the load of the packages and >> even when we are running metadataless, we end creating fake meta data to >> simulate an mcz ... you

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo desktop UI

I understand what you are asking, in previous versions of the documentation we had something like this. However this turned out to be a bad idea since this is too closely linked to the actual implementation. Making internal changes to the Spec interpreter means that this documentation also needs

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

Hi Dale, 2016-11-07 12:03 GMT+01:00 Dale Henrichs : > > > On 11/7/16 7:15 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > > 2016-11-07 11:05 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > >> >> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:03, Thierry Goubier >> wrote: >> >> Hi Esteban, >> >> I cut out the rest, because I agree with all your points,

Re: [Pharo-users] Looking for the library to sort object

Hi, Indeed, I forgot about this one. I would like to add this in Moose because it looks quite handy. Cheers, Doru > On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:35 PM, stepharo wrote: > > Thanks! > > > > Le 7/11/16 à 12:37, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : >> This is very nice: >> >> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~

Re: [Pharo-users] Looking for the library to sort object

Thanks! Le 7/11/16 à 12:37, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : This is very nice: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~emaringolo/SortFunctions On 7 Nov 2016, at 12:25, stepharo wrote: Hi I know that "steffen" did a nice library to sort objects and I know that this is a nice extension. But I canno

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

[ ... ] And this one I don't understand. A smooth, git / iceberg oriented transition over Monticello/Metacello is perfectly doable... As Dale explained. A nice Iceberg gui reworking / making git usable is perfect. But why make the transition so hard? You get Stef angry on a Sunday morning

Re: [Pharo-users] Looking for the library to sort object

This is very nice: http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~emaringolo/SortFunctions > On 7 Nov 2016, at 12:25, stepharo wrote: > > Hi > > I know that "steffen" did a nice library to sort objects and I know that this > is a nice extension. > > But I cannot find it. > > Stef > >

[Pharo-users] Looking for the library to sort object

Hi I know that "steffen" did a nice library to sort objects and I know that this is a nice extension. But I cannot find it. Stef

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

On 11/7/16 7:36 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: On 7 Nov 2016, at 11:28, Dale Henrichs wrote: On 11/7/16 4:52 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: btw this is pharo-dev discussion, redirecting there. Esteban On 7 Nov 2016, at 08:50, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: We are developing Iceberg… and I know

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

On 11/7/16 7:15 AM, Thierry Goubier wrote: 2016-11-07 11:05 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano >: On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:03, Thierry Goubier mailto:thierry.goub...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Esteban, I cut out the rest, because I agree with all your points,

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

On 11/7/16 6:42 AM, Norbert Hartl wrote: Am 07.11.2016 um 10:40 schrieb Dale Henrichs : On 11/7/16 2:59 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Dale, I think I missed your mails. I would be interested in hearing your opinion. Let’s aim for a chat sometime next week. Would this work for you? You're not

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

no problemo , I prefer people changing my content than not contributing at all the to the documentation. So your interest makes me more than happy ;) On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:23 AM Nicolai Hess wrote: > 2016-11-07 10:10 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > > I did not advertise Nireas because I wan

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> > Cuis basically delegates everything to git and use one file per package. > > yes thats the direction I want to go with this, if possible kill any kind of meta information and turn everything to Smalltalk code. Even fileout contains meta data. > > He has a nice lib interface targetting both m

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 11:28, Dale Henrichs > wrote: > > > > On 11/7/16 4:52 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> btw this is pharo-dev discussion, redirecting there. >> >> Esteban >> >>> On 7 Nov 2016, at 08:50, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> >>> We are developing Iceberg… and I know is not enough

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

On 11/7/16 4:52 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: btw this is pharo-dev discussion, redirecting there. Esteban On 7 Nov 2016, at 08:50, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: We are developing Iceberg… and I know is not enough :) Which “unifying tools” are you referring ? The main unifying tool is a Metacell

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 11:05 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > > On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:03, Thierry Goubier > wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > I cut out the rest, because I agree with all your points, except for... > > 2016-11-07 9:55 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > >> [ ... ] >> >> Replacing Monticello with git goes

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:43, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > Its clear that I want to live outside the image. > > Its clear that others want to live inside the image. > > Its clear that I am a tiny minority , if not the only one. I don't understand how you can say that after so many years. The s

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:03, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > I cut out the rest, because I agree with all your points, except for... > > 2016-11-07 9:55 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano >: > [ ... ] > > Replacing Monticello with git goes in this direction: >

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

2016-11-07 10:43 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > " > Aready done. Look for Jan Vrany tools or Cuis. IMHO, not convincing to me > (Jan's format is even more conflict-oriented than Filetree metadata, but it > is a design goal). Cuis git repository is a mess to me; very hard to build > a coherent 're

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:42, Norbert Hartl wrote: > >> >> Am 07.11.2016 um 10:28 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano : >> >> >>> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:17, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>> >>> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:13, Thierry Goubier wrote: I've seen over the years many, many attempts a

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

" Aready done. Look for Jan Vrany tools or Cuis. IMHO, not convincing to me (Jan's format is even more conflict-oriented than Filetree metadata, but it is a design goal). Cuis git repository is a mess to me; very hard to build a coherent 'rebuild a new Cuis here' process on it like I routinely do o

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

> Am 07.11.2016 um 10:40 schrieb Dale Henrichs > : > > > > On 11/7/16 2:59 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> Hi Dale, >> >> I think I missed your mails. I would be interested in hearing your opinion. >> Let’s aim for a chat sometime next week. Would this work for you? > You're not the only one :) Ye

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> Am 07.11.2016 um 10:28 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano : > > >> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:17, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> >> >>> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:13, Thierry Goubier wrote: >>> >>> I've seen over the years many, many attempts at replacing the filetree >>> format. I used to contest and debat

Re: [Pharo-users] About balkanisation

On 11/7/16 2:59 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: Hi Dale, I think I missed your mails. I would be interested in hearing your opinion. Let’s aim for a chat sometime next week. Would this work for you? You're not the only one :) Yes it would ... Monday is a travel day so Tuesday or beyond would work for

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:17, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > >> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:13, Thierry Goubier wrote: >> >> I've seen over the years many, many attempts at replacing the filetree >> format. I used to contest and debate, now I just let them go and die a few >> months later. Because

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

2016-11-07 10:10 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > I did not advertise Nireas because I wanted free advertisement , if that > was the case I would be advertising Ephestos which has been a far more > important project for me and a project I invested far more effort. > > The idea with Nireas is a them

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

> On 7 Nov 2016, at 10:13, Thierry Goubier wrote: > > I've seen over the years many, many attempts at replacing the filetree > format. I used to contest and debate, now I just let them go and die a few > months later. Because none of the alternatives are clearly superior, and it > is not wort

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

Hi Kilon, 2016-11-07 9:57 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > > Git requirements is basically non existent, it mainly works with text > files and with less support for binary files. Pharo does not need anything > but text files to be ready for Git. We had text files since forever with > fileouts and

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

I did not advertise Nireas because I wanted free advertisement , if that was the case I would be advertising Ephestos which has been a far more important project for me and a project I invested far more effort. The idea with Nireas is a theme that allows easy customisation to any kind of theme the

Re: [Pharo-users] Image freezes on Linux if it was previously saved on Windows

2016-11-01 13:18 GMT+01:00 Sean Glazier : > did you get a fix for this? I am seeing this in pharo 5 image and I have > not > seen a fix yet > > No :( But I think with this change by Pavel: 19308 WorkingSession id depe

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

Hi Esteban, I cut out the rest, because I agree with all your points, except for... 2016-11-07 9:55 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > [ ... ] > > Replacing Monticello with git goes in this direction: > > [ ... ] > And this one I don't understand. A smooth, git / iceberg oriented transition over M

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 6:22 PM Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Kilon wrote: > > If you really want to embrace Github , kill Smalltalkhub > > We are not close to doing that. We'll need > Monticello support indefinitely, and at least a few years two-way. And > that assumes we automatically migrate all o

Re: [Pharo-users] about balkanisation

Hi, If anyone *ever* thought we are moving to git because is the new stuff, I need to clarify several things: 1) you don’t know me :) 2) git is not new-cool stuff since a couple of years so is not that we are jumping into anything fancy shiny new (we should be trying to use docker as montice

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

2016-11-07 9:52 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess : > > > 2016-10-27 13:32 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > >> In case someone missed it I will be doing a release for version 5 (pharo >> version = pbe version) this weekend , since we had Pharo 7 initiated few >> days ago. >> >> Essentially that means that the

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

2016-10-27 13:32 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > In case someone missed it I will be doing a release for version 5 (pharo > version = pbe version) this weekend , since we had Pharo 7 initiated few > days ago. > > Essentially that means that the repo will be tagged for version 5, which > means a gi

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

Am 27.10.2016 1:33 nachm. schrieb "Dimitris Chloupis" : > > In case someone missed it I will be doing a release for version 5 (pharo version = pbe version) this weekend , since we had Pharo 7 initiated few days ago. > > Essentially that means that the repo will be tagged for version 5, which means