[Pharo-users] which FFI to use

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
Hello, before jumping deeper into GUI waters, I'd like to play a bit with calling 3rd party C library which I'll need for my project. Considering that I use x86_64 Linux, I wonder if there is some possibility to call 64bit C library or I'd have to compile it as 32bit? I did watch "The good, the

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: Hello Robert, > Welcome to Pharo!  I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge > sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and > a good thing too. Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not u

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
It's possible if releases are published / committed in a Github repo. It can even include VM and all other dependencies. As a matter of facts this code can work for even the updating Pharo itself completely bypassing Pharolauncher. GitHub and git can easily handle binary files of any size. On Fri,

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
There is an auto update in Pharo. This is the one we use for building it. Have a look at the way the script loader is built. It fetches a numbered collection of cs and compares their number with the current number of the image and load the delta. stef Le 25/12/15 22:50, Ben Coman a écrit : On

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
After that you can start removing packages you don't need, Pharo is in the process of of being modularlized so that is easy to start with a skeleton image. The modularization process is going within V5.0? Yes and it started from day one. We are continuously working on it. It is just a daunting

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Ben Coman
On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to my > machine. > > But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a look at > standalone Pharo apps like Phratch and Dr Geo . The good news is that is

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Yes exactly the version is returned by the class. Obviously that should increase with each new release but for me at least that's sensible coding. I was also considering a better scheme for the periodical checks so your code could help me there because I don't want more than one check per month. So

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Robert Withers
Sorry, that was meant to be private. --- robert > On Dec 25, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Robert Withers > wrote: > > >> On Dec 25, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Saša Janiška wrote: >> -- >> As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the >> fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to mater

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Robert Withers
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Saša Janiška wrote: > -- > As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the > fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. --- The knowledge sacrifice is superior To any material sacrifice, O Arjuna. Because, all actions

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
2015-12-25 14:37 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > As I said I away but if you are in hurry you can see the code here > > > https://github.com/kilon/ChronosManager/blob/master/ChronosManager.package/ChronosManager.class/class/updateToLatestVersion.st > > Thank you Dimitris, no rush for this. > The

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 18:07 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote: > We wanted to generate slides, Cyril changed Pillar to generate slides. > We want to generate exercises and questions, we will change Pillar to > generate questions in a dedicated format for a specific MOOC platform. > Because Pillar is in P

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 18:10 +0100, Damien Cassou wrote: > I don't like footnotes so I never added them. Heh, that's *you*, but I still wonder about all other Pillar users. > If you like them, Let me say that I *need* them - that's the nature of the content I write... > I guess it's less tha

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
As I said I away but if you are in hurry you can see the code here https://github.com/kilon/ChronosManager/blob/master/ChronosManager.package/ChronosManager.class/class/updateToLatestVersion.st The idea is that the class carries the current release of the project that is installed while the lates

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Damien Cassou
On December 25, 2015 6:02:05 PM GMT+01:00, "Saša Janiška" wrote: >Can Pillar handle footnotes? (I can't see on the cheetsheet.) I don't like footnotes so I never added them. If you like them, I guess it's less than a hundred lines of code using annotations. >Seeing that quotes are used for *

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Damien Cassou
On December 25, 2015 5:02:13 PM GMT+01:00, "Saša Janiška" wrote: >Hiya, > >I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation >purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, >comparison >was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. >auth

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 17:36 +0100, stepharo wrote: > Pillar exists before Markdown. > We did pillar syntax back in 2002. Heh, it's interesting that both rst & AsciiDoc are also, according to Wikipedia from 2002. :-) What about Pillar and Pharo? Any additional advantage to use it? > We do that w

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
Hi Dimitris, 2015-12-25 13:01 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to my > machine. > > But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a look > at standalone Pharo apps like Phratch and Dr Geo . The good news is that

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 17:38 +0100, stepharo wrote: > In the future we plan to do better for deployment but for now we > deploy an image and control the debugger (check UnhandledError) and > menu OK. Good. Sincerely, Gour -- A person is considered still further advanced when he regards honest

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
Le 25/12/15 14:41, Saša Janiška a écrit : On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 11:48 +0100, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: First, be careful with Pharo 5 because this is an alpha. There is high chance that some things breake. If you find some bug you can report it on pharo's fogbugz (the link is on Pharo website).

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
Le 25/12/15 17:02, Saša Janiška a écrit : Hiya, I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, comparison was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. authoring books, but there are m

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 16:01 +, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to > my machine. Thanks a lot for your tutorial series and please, enjoy your holidays. ;) > But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a > look

[Pharo-users] why Pillar

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
Hiya, I see that Pharo project has embraced Pillar system for documentation purposes and my first question was "Why Pillar?" since, iirc, comparison was made with e.g Markdown which is, obviously, not sufficient for eg. authoring books, but there are more capable markups with 'standard' implementa

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I am on holidays to at London for Christmas with no direct access to my machine. But you can get a very good idea how to do what you want by taking a look at standalone Pharo apps like Phratch and Dr Geo . The good news is that is both very easy and extremely flexible. You can also change the icon

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 11:48 +0100, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > First, be careful with Pharo 5 because this is an alpha. There is high > chance that some things breake. If you find some bug you can report it > on pharo's fogbugz (the link is on Pharo website). OK. No problem. > For the deployment yo

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
In a computing monoculture of overcomplex ways of doing programming and DVCS is refreshing to find a community where alternative ideas like Pharo and fossil and listened and used. Indeed...now I'm into learning Pharo trying to adjust to some alternatives, but those will require to ask some addi

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

2015-12-25 Thread stepharo
Le 23/12/15 14:23, Saša Janiška a écrit : On Sri, 2015-12-23 at 20:01 +0800, Pierce Ng wrote: For now I'm not bothered about integrating Fossil as a Pharo VCS though. I just use Monticello. Is Monticello good-enough for collaboration with smaller team of devs? of course. Pharo itself is de

Re: [Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
Hi, I don't have too much time now so I will try to answer fast. First, be careful with Pharo 5 because this is an alpha. There is high chance that some things breake. If you find some bug you can report it on pharo's fogbugz (the link is on Pharo website). For the deployment you have a differen

[Pharo-users] example of stand-alone desktop app

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
Hello, I've decided to end my search for an appropriate language/environment in order to write open-surce multi-platform with Pharo. :-)  Playing a bit with 5.0 image, watching Dimitris' tutorial series, reading several articles (I like Richard's Smalltalk-Talk), subscribed to the mailing lists..

Re: [Pharo-users] Fossil and Filetree

2015-12-25 Thread Saša Janiška
On Sri, 2015-12-23 at 09:20 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: > In a computing monoculture of overcomplex ways of doing programming  > and DVCS is refreshing to find a community where alternative ideas > like Pharo and fossil and listened and used. Indeed...now I'm into learning Pharo t