Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Thomas Swan
> > On Mar 25, 2004, at 1:21, Neil Conway wrote: > >> I think the lack of good Win32 support (unless rectified before the >> release of 7.5) is a pretty major problem with Arch -- that alone >> might be sufficient to prevent us from adopting it. > > I don't do Windows, but my understanding i

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Neil Conway
On 25-Mar-04, at 3:03 PM, Dustin Sallings wrote: I don't do Windows, but my understanding is that tla is as well supported on Windows as postgres is. David Wheeler disagrees: A serious weakness of arch is that it doesn't work well on Windows-based systems, and it's not clear if that will ever c

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 25, 2004, at 9:22, Magnus Naeslund(t) wrote: > You can use distributed revision control systems as centralized > systems, but not vice-versa. > Not true, the other way around exists, that is what svk does. From its description, svk sounds like a completely different system: ``svk is

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 25, 2004, at 1:21, Neil Conway wrote: I think the lack of good Win32 support (unless rectified before the release of 7.5) is a pretty major problem with Arch -- that alone might be sufficient to prevent us from adopting it. I don't do Windows, but my understanding is that tla is as well

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 25, 2004, at 5:05, Jan Wieck wrote: The difference here is that instead of submitting a patch for review, which is then frozen, the branch owner can (and that means some will, no matter what your intentions are) keep modifying the branch during the review process, other than just keeping

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Magnus Naeslund(t)
Dustin Sallings wrote: > > You can use distributed revision control systems as centralized > systems, but not vice-versa. > Not true, the other way around exists, that is what svk does. > As far as understanding the simplicity of arch (if you wanted to > understand the problems it solves

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 08:05:05AM -0500, Jan Wieck wrote: > The difference here is that instead of submitting a patch for review, > which is then frozen, the branch owner can (and that means some will, no > matter what your intentions are) keep modifying the branch during the > review process,

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Neil Conway said: > I don't think anything mentioned in this thread so far would be an > enormous improvement over what we have now. However, I am still open to > trying Arch or SVN: in the long run, I think the productivity gain > from even an incremental improvement in the development toolset

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Jan Wieck
Dustin Sallings wrote: On Mar 24, 2004, at 20:29, Tom Lane wrote: Not here. You want me to trust some bit of code (with absolutely zero understanding of the source text it's hacking on) to figure out how to resolve conflicting patches? That sounds like a recipe for big-time unhappiness. The id

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-25 Thread Neil Conway
On 25-Mar-04, at 12:25 AM, Dustin Sallings wrote: It's definitely not a magic tool that makes bad code good and conflicting patches happy. It solves other problems, though. I don't think anything mentioned in this thread so far would be an enormous improvement over what we have now. However, I

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 24, 2004, at 20:29, Tom Lane wrote: Not here. You want me to trust some bit of code (with absolutely zero understanding of the source text it's hacking on) to figure out how to resolve conflicting patches? That sounds like a recipe for big-time unhappiness. The idea is that it's the resp

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Tom Lane
"Matthew T. O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would guess that better merging might be a real motivation for > people. If a patch that takes a month to develop can still apply > cleanly despite significant code drift in the interrem, I could see > that as a real motivating factor. Not her

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Matthew T. O'Connor
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 06:03 pm, Dustin Sallings wrote: > There's not a lot of GUI in arch, but star-merge is fairly incredible. > This is how tla (the main arch implementation) itself is developed. > Lots of branches in lots of archives by lots of people. I would guess that better mer

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 24, 2004, at 18:22, Magnus Naeslund(t) wrote: The new buzz is distributed versioning systems these days, but i question if that is called for in the vast majority of projects out there. You can use distributed revision control systems as centralized systems, but not vice-versa. But ofc

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Magnus Naeslund(t)
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: What's needed is a good window client like WinCVS, however... Chris There is a number of those, our shop uses (and makes programs for) both windows and unix (and might soon use mac's aswell), so it's very important that there exists a good client for each. Especia

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
It does have some downsides that I have found, most notibly that the size of your sources you have in your working copy are essentially doubled. There is a copy in your .svn directory that allows the offline status, diff, and revert commands to work. What's needed is a good window client

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 24, 2004, at 13:22, David Garamond wrote: From what I read here and there, BitKeeper excels primarily in merging (good merging is apparently a very complex and hard problem) and GUI stuffs. There's not a lot of GUI in arch, but star-merge is fairly incredible. This is how tla (the main

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread David Garamond
Dustin Sallings wrote: On Mar 24, 2004, at 11:45, David Garamond wrote: So one might ask, what *will* motivate a die-hard CVS user? A real-close Bitkeeper clone? :-) Since it's illegal for anyone who uses Bitkeeper's free license to contribute to another project, does anyone know if there ar

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 24, 2004, at 11:45, David Garamond wrote: So one might ask, what *will* motivate a die-hard CVS user? A real-close Bitkeeper clone? :-) Since it's illegal for anyone who uses Bitkeeper's free license to contribute to another project, does anyone know if there are any features in Bitkeep

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread David Garamond
Frank Wiles wrote: Why? not that I'm for a chance from something that isn't broken, but what advantages does subversion give us over what we already have? Subversion has lots of "little" benefits, but nothing that would be a major incentive to switch. The biggest benefits I can think of of

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Dustin Sallings
On Mar 24, 2004, at 7:29, Frank Wiles wrote: [cool feature list] Arch has all of that except for the checking out part of a directory thing (would you really just check out the backend, submit a change, and not build and test it?). Additionally: * Repositories can be easily replicated so c

Re: subversion vs cvs (Was: Re: [HACKERS] linked list rewrite)

2004-03-24 Thread Frank Wiles
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:03:03 -0400 (AST) "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Sailesh Krishnamurthy wrote: > > > Which brings me to another question .. has anybody considered using > > subversion instead of CVS ? > > Why? not that I'm for a chance from something