Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-08 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: > I didn't know that. I thought we genarated postscript only major > releases. Do we regenerate HTML for subreleases? The HTML is generated every 12 hours, and whenever a distribution is wrapped up it picks up the latest bundle. This will probably have to be sorted out ag

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
Karl DeBisschop wrote: > Actually, since you can suppress installation of the docs with --nodocs, > I would very much prefer to keep the html and text docs in the main RPM. > Otherwise I have two directories in /usr/doc for one software suite. I'm researching how to get a subpackage to place docs

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Karl DeBisschop
Franck Martin wrote: > > I have no idea if what I say is true about the PG distribution by PG people, but > I have noticed than in the rpms of other distros the postgresql-devel rpms do not > include all the .h files necessary to build PG extensions. For instance the > rtree.h and itup.h and gist

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > The Hermit Hacker writes: > > > Okay, unless someone can come up with a really good argument *for* why > > docs has to be included as part of the main tar file, > > Because people want to read the documentation. get postgresql.src.tar.gz get postgres

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Joel Burton
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Thomas Lockhart writes: > > > > > The docs are ready for shipment. > > > Even better ... > > > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > > > > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it > > is no longer allo

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
> Bruce Momjian writes: > > > A major issue is that we don't regenerate docs for 7.1.1 or later, so > > Sure we do. > > > the 7.1 docs carry for all the 7.1.X releases. That would seem to argue > > for a separate tarball for docs so people don't redownload the docs > > again for 7.1.1. I didn

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
The Hermit Hacker writes: > those that don't want it, it sames them 2meg of download time ... Another way to save at least 1 MB of download time would be bzip2'ed tarballs. -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yi.org/peter-e/ ---(end of broadcast)--

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
The Hermit Hacker writes: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > > The Hermit Hacker writes: > > > > > Okay, unless someone can come up with a really good argument *for* why > > > docs has to be included as part of the main tar file, > > > > Because people want to read the documentatio

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: > A major issue is that we don't regenerate docs for 7.1.1 or later, so Sure we do. > the 7.1 docs carry for all the 7.1.X releases. That would seem to argue > for a separate tarball for docs so people don't redownload the docs > again for 7.1.1. > > -- Peter Eisentraut

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
The Hermit Hacker writes: > Okay, unless someone can come up with a really good argument *for* why > docs has to be included as part of the main tar file, Because people want to read the documentation. -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yi.org/peter-e/ --

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Lamar Owen writes: > We're going to do this at this point in the release cycle? IOW, is > there going to be an RC4 with this new packaging, or is the first-off > tarball with new packaging going to be the *final* 7.1 release *raised > eyebrow*? > > I am certainly NOT opposed to doing this -- jus

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane writes: > OTOH, if Marc was only thinking of removing the pre-built docs from the > tarball, I don't object to that. I'm not sure why those weren't > distributed as separate tarballs from the get-go. I just say that the > doc sources are part of the source distribution... Why would yo

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: > Can we drop TODO.detail from the tarball too? No need to include that, > I think. The web site has nice links to it now. Uncompressed it is > 1.314 megs. You see where this discussion goes? Do we want to go through each file and argue whether it needs to be distribute

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
The Hermit Hacker writes: > At 2Meg, is there a reason why we include any of the docs as part of the > standard tar ball? It shouldn't be required to compile, so should be able > to be left out of the main tar ball and downloaded seperately as required > .. thereby shrinking the distribution to

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Thomas Lockhart writes: > > > The docs are ready for shipment. > > Even better ... > > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it > is no longer allowed into the shipping tarball :( I'm not speaking about "all

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Lamar Owen wrote: > > Just not well-tested for the RPM build environment :-). > Ya, but you could concievably test that now, without us doign an RC4 .. > the files are all there :) So the structure isn't going to change -- just there's not going to

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
Karl DeBisschop wrote: > In my experience so far, it is also noticably slower than gzip. It does > work, and it is available. I have not yet been convinced that the space > savings is worth the time lost. But ISTM this is a minor point. The official tarball is gzipped -- the RPM will use that unt

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Lamar Owen wrote: > The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > there will be an RC4, I'm just waiting to hear back from Peter E as to > > Good. > > > whether there is anything in the build process we even risk breaking ... > > we've been doing the whole split thing for the past release or t

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
The Hermit Hacker wrote: > there will be an RC4, I'm just waiting to hear back from Peter E as to Good. > whether there is anything in the build process we even risk breaking ... > we've been doing the whole split thing for the past release or two as it > is (the FreeBSD ports collection using t

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Lamar Owen wrote: > The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Okay, unless someone can come up with a really good argument *for* why > > docs has to be included as part of the main tar file, I'm going to change > > the distributin generating script so that it generates a .src.tar.gz file >

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Okay, unless someone can come up with a really good argument *for* why > docs has to be included as part of the main tar file, I'm going to change > the distributin generating script so that it generates a .src.tar.gz file > seperate from the .doc.tar.gz file, which will

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > > OTOH, if Marc was only thinking of removing the pre-built docs from the > > > tarball, I don't object to that. I'm not sure why those weren't > > > distributed as separate tarballs from the get-go. I just say that the > > > doc sources are part of the source distr

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
Franck Martin wrote: > I have no idea if what I say is true about the PG distribution by PG people, but > I have noticed than in the rpms of other distros the postgresql-devel rpms do not > include all the .h files necessary to build PG extensions. For instance the > rtree.h and itup.h and gist.h

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > Can you use ps2pdf to generate PDF? It is a utility that comes with > > ghostscript. I know versions >= 6.0 are fine. > > PDF files generated from postscript with Adobe Acrobat are usually of > much higher quality than those generated by ghostscript. It seems that > ghostscript encodes rend

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-06 Thread Franck Martin
I have no idea if what I say is true about the PG distribution by PG people, but I have noticed than in the rpms of other distros the postgresql-devel rpms do not include all the .h files necessary to build PG extensions. For instance the rtree.h and itup.h and gist.h headers are missing. Could yo

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Mathijs Brands
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 09:23:35PM -0400, Bruce Momjian allegedly wrote: > > > Thomas, will you be doing .pdf files? I have had requests to put that > > > in the Debian documentation package. > > > > afaik, I don't have the means to generate pdf directly. Pointers would > > be appreciated, if the

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > That strikes me as an awfully web-centric view of things. Not everyone > > > has an always-on high-speed Internet link. > > > > > > If you want to make the docs and TODO.detail be a separate chunk of the > > > split distribution, that's fine with me

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > That strikes me as an awfully web-centric view of things. Not everyone > > has an always-on high-speed Internet link. > > > > If you want to make the docs and TODO.detail be a separate chunk of the > > split distribution, that's fine with me. But I don't agree with > > removing them from the

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > Thomas, will you be doing .pdf files? I have had requests to put that > > in the Debian documentation package. > > afaik, I don't have the means to generate pdf directly. Pointers would > be appreciated, if there are mechanisms available on Linux boxes. > > We have had lots of offers of hel

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> Thomas, will you be doing .pdf files? I have had requests to put that > in the Debian documentation package. afaik, I don't have the means to generate pdf directly. Pointers would be appreciated, if there are mechanisms available on Linux boxes. We have had lots of offers of help for these co

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> > OTOH, if Marc was only thinking of removing the pre-built docs from the > > tarball, I don't object to that. I'm not sure why those weren't > > distributed as separate tarballs from the get-go. I just say that the > > doc sources are part of the source distribution... >From the get-go, the

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Tom Lane wrote: > >> At 2Meg, is there a reason why we include any of the docs as part of the > >> standard tar ball? It shouldn't be required to compile, so should be able > >> to be left out of the main tar ball and downloaded seperately as required > >> .. thereby shrinkin

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Tom Lane
>> At 2Meg, is there a reason why we include any of the docs as part of the >> standard tar ball? It shouldn't be required to compile, so should be able >> to be left out of the main tar ball and downloaded seperately as required >> .. thereby shrinking the distribution to <6Meg from its current

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > Can we drop TODO.detail from the tarball too? No need to include that, > > I think. The web site has nice links to it now. Uncompressed it is > > 1.314 megs. > > That strikes me as an awfully web-centric view of things. Not everyone > has an always-on high-speed Internet link. > > If you

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > > > > > The docs are ready for shipment. > > > > Even better ... > > > > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > > > > > > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Oliver Elphick
Thomas Lockhart wrote: >> > The docs are ready for shipment. >> Even better ... >> Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > >I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it >is no longer allowed into the shipping tarball :( > >Lamar, do you pl

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > > > The docs are ready for shipment. > > > Even better ... > > > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > > > > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it > > is no longer allowed into the shipping tarb

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > > > The docs are ready for shipment. > > > Even better ... > > > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > > > > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it >

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > The docs are ready for shipment. > > Even better ... > > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... > > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it > is no longer allowed into the shipping tarball :( At 2Meg,

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Lamar Owen
Thomas Lockhart wrote: > I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it > is no longer allowed into the shipping tarball :( > Lamar, do you plan to continue to package the hardcopy somewhere in the > RPMs? If so, I'll have them ready soon. I didn't for 7.0, IIRC. Or m

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> > The docs are ready for shipment. > Even better ... > Okay, let's let this sit as RC3 for the next week... I'll go ahead and start generating hardcopy, though I understand that it is no longer allowed into the shipping tarball :( Lamar, do you plan to continue to package the hardcopy somewher

RE: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... anyone have anything left outstanding?

2001-04-06 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
> FWIW, I confirm that horology-no-DST-before-1970 is good; it passes on > HPUX. Can anyone confirm horology-solaris-1947? How to test it? All default tests are Ok on my Solaris. Vadim ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe com

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... anyone have anything left outstanding?

2001-04-06 Thread Tom Lane
"Mikheev, Vadim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> FWIW, I confirm that horology-no-DST-before-1970 is good; it passes on >> HPUX. Can anyone confirm horology-solaris-1947? > How to test it? All default tests are Ok on my Solaris. If the horology test shows as passing, then we're set.

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... anyone have anything left outstanding?

2001-04-05 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > btw, I've applied the patch for the expected/ files to all variants of > horology.out, so all platforms should pass that test now. FWIW, I confirm that horology-no-DST-before-1970 is good; it passes on HPUX. Can anyone confirm horology-solaris-1947?

[HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... anyone have anything left outstanding?

2001-04-05 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> Okay, unless I hear different from anyone out there, I'm goin to roll RC3 > when I get to work tomorrow, and announce it before I leave (to give it > some time to propogate to the mirrors) ... > > The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Thomas? Did I miss your patch for the 'WITH TI