Re: n_ins_since_vacuum stats for aborted transactions

2025-04-09 Thread Mark Dilger
xplicit, it is hard for others to get behind your proposal. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: n_ins_since_vacuum stats for aborted transactions

2025-04-09 Thread Mark Dilger
*/ What work do you believe the word "mainly" does in that paragraph? The presence of the word "mainly" rather than "only" somewhat cuts against your argument that we should only be counting tuples that get inserted without aborting. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: n_ins_since_vacuum stats for aborted transactions

2025-04-09 Thread Mark Dilger
up | n_dead_tup | n_tup_ins | n_ins_since_vacuum ++---+ 2 | 8 |10 | 10 (1 row) If we went with your suggestion, I think the final n_ins_since_vacuum column would be 2. Do you think the n_tup_ins should also be 2? Should those

Re: Amcheck verification of GiST and GIN

2025-03-27 Thread Mark Dilger
're at v34 already, and the > recent changes were mostly cosmetic. Does anyone object to me polishing > and pushing those parts? > Kirill may have addressed my concerns in the latest version. I have not had time for another review. Tomas, would you still like to review and pu

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2025-03-20 Thread Mark Dilger
mily_properties(opno, opfamily, isorderby, &op_strategy, + NULL,/* don't need cmptype */ &op_lefttype, &op_r

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2025-03-12 Thread Mark Dilger
; seems fine. There are no other callers as yet. You have made me a bit paranoid that, in future, we might add additional callers who are not anticipating the error. Should we solve that with a more complete code comment, or do you think refactoring is in order? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2025-03-12 Thread Mark Dilger
ews. These were v21-0011 and v21-0012, except that > I'm combining the switch from strategies to compare types (which was in > v21-0006 or so) with the removal of the btree requirements. > v21.2-0004-* is ready for commit. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: SQL:2023 JSON simplified accessor support

2025-03-04 Thread Mark Dilger
On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 6:05 AM Mark Dilger wrote: > But then I tried: > > +DO $$ > +DECLARE > + a jsonb := '{"": 6, "NU": [{"": [[3]]}, [6], [2], "bCi"], "aaf": [-6, > -8]}'::jsonb; > +BEGIN > + WHILE

Re: SQL:2023 JSON simplified accessor support

2025-03-04 Thread Mark Dilger
t assignment which suggests the plpgsql parser does not recognize a."NU" as we'd expect. Any thoughts on this? I notice there are no changes in src/interfaces/ecpg/test, which concerns me. The sqljson.pgc and sqljson_jsontable.pgc files are already testing json handling in ecpg; perhaps just extend those a bit? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Amcheck verification of GiST and GIN

2025-02-28 Thread Mark Dilger
-6, "__": [""], "YMb": -22}'::jsonb; SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE j @> '{"853": -60, "pjx": "", "TGLUG_jxmrggv": null}'::jsonb; SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE j @> '"D3BDA069074174vx48A37IVHWVXLUP9382542ypsl1465pixtryzCBgrkkhrvCC_BDDFat

Re: Amcheck verification of GiST and GIN

2025-02-21 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Feb 21, 2025, at 12:16 PM, Mark Dilger > wrote: > > The pgbench script is not corrupting anything overtly, so this looks to > either be a bug in gin or a bug in the check. I suspected the AccessShareLock taken by verify_gin() might be too weak, and u

Re: Amcheck verification of GiST and GIN

2025-02-21 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Feb 21, 2025, at 9:07 AM, Mark Dilger wrote: > > I infer that you intend to make v34-0004, v34-0006, and v35-0001 apply > cleanly without the other patches and commit it that way. If that is > correct, be advised that I'm doing a review and will respond back shortl

Re: Amcheck verification of GiST and GIN

2025-02-21 Thread Mark Dilger
be advised that I'm doing a review and will respond back shortly, maybe in a few hours. — Mark Dilger +001 (360) 271-8498 EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2025-01-29 Thread Mark Dilger
g back several versions. How about we fix this now? I threw this together in a hurry, and might have screwed it up, so please check carefully. If you like this, we should go at least one more round of making sure this has thorough regression testing, but just to get your feedback, this can b

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-11-27 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Nov 27, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > On 26.11.24 15:27, Andrew Dunstan wrote: >> On 2024-11-19 Tu 6:26 PM, Mark Dilger wrote: >>>> On Nov 16, 2024, at 9:10 AM, Kirill Reshke wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! Can we please have a

Re: cannot freeze committed xmax

2024-11-20 Thread Mark Dilger
ed 1 (wstat 256, 0x100) Failed 1/272 subtests The first part of your patch which checks the xmin_status seems ok at first glance. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-11-19 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Nov 16, 2024, at 9:10 AM, Kirill Reshke wrote: > > Hi! Can we please have a rebased version of this patch series? Sorry for the delay, and thanks for your interest. I will try to get around to rebasing in the next few days. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprised

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-10-31 Thread Mark Dilger
ndex AM strategy numbers and > RowCompareType (with some small extensions). This is what this > patch does. As the patch author, obviously this is the one I chose. The "small extensions" are just to handle "no such value" type cases. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-09-24 Thread Mark Dilger
ch series, and it also > makes the affected code areas simpler and more consistent and robust. > Thanks for the review! Yes, I found the existing use of a btree strategy number rather than a boolean "reverse" flag made using the code from other index AMs needlessly harder. I a

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-09-03 Thread Mark Dilger
struct; that didn't > seem necessary. Good catch. I agree with the change. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-08-26 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Aug 26, 2024, at 5:21 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > On 21.08.24 21:25, Mark Dilger wrote: >> The next twenty patches are a mix of fixes of various layering >> violations, such as not allowing non-core index AMs from use in replica >> identity full, or for sp

Re: Index AM API cleanup

2024-08-21 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Aug 21, 2024, at 12:34 PM, Kirill Reshke wrote: > > Hi! Why is the patch attached as .tar.bz2? Usually raw patches are sent > here... I worried the patch set, being greater than 1 MB, might bounce or be held up in moderation. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.ente

Re: XLog size reductions: Reduced XLog record header size for PG17

2024-06-05 Thread Mark Dilger
ouple arguments to represent where and how the size class bits are to be stored, and where the length itself is stored? I doubt you need to sacrifice any performance gains of this patch to make that happen. You'd just need to restructure the patch. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-17 Thread Mark Dilger
. Prior to the corrupting action the values were all unique. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-17 Thread Mark Dilger
detected. At least, rerunning the test after adjusting the expected output, I no longer see problems. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-17 Thread Mark Dilger
> On May 17, 2024, at 12:10 PM, Mark Dilger > wrote: > >> Amcheck with checkunique option does check uniqueness violation between >> pages. But it doesn't warranty detection of cross page uniqueness violations >> in extremely rare cases when the first eq

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-17 Thread Mark Dilger
conclude that the uniqueness checking code is broken. Can you take a look? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-17 Thread Mark Dilger
> On May 17, 2024, at 3:11 AM, Alexander Korotkov wrote: > > On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 4:42 AM Alexander Korotkov > wrote: >> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 12:23 AM Alexander Korotkov >> wrote: >>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 4:13 AM Mark Dilger >>> wrote: >

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-10 Thread Mark Dilger
clearly used. So the behavior at that point is changing between the old and new versions of the code, and I think I'm within reason to ask if it was wrong before the patch, wrong after the patch, or something else? Is this a bug being introduced, being fixed, or ... ? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-10 Thread Mark Dilger
ds. If anybody refactored the struct they might not notice that the need to reorder this initialization, and depending on various factors including compiler flags they might not get an error. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Improve amcheck to also check UNIQUE constraint in btree index.

2024-05-10 Thread Mark Dilger
skey, offset); and thereafter. Now, the rightpage of state->target is created, checked, and free'd, and then the old state->target gets processed in the downlink check and thereafter. This is either introducing a bug, or fixing one, but the commit message is totally a

Re: BitmapHeapScan streaming read user and prelim refactoring

2024-02-14 Thread Mark Dilger
oes implement those two functions and does use the TBMIterateResult *tbmres argument, yes. I would deal with the issue in very much the same way that your patches modify heapam. I don't really have any additional comments about that. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: BitmapHeapScan streaming read user and prelim refactoring

2024-02-13 Thread Mark Dilger
synchronous feedback per block. Thus, this table AM function > must change its meaning. > > I think the way the patches are split up could be improved. I will > think more about this. There are also probably a few mistakes with > which comments are updated in whi

Re: Should we remove -Wdeclaration-after-statement?

2024-01-29 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Isaac Morland wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 10:31, Mark Dilger > wrote: > > -Infinity for refactoring the entire codebase and backpatching. > > I don't think anybody is proposing re-working the existing codebase. I >

Re: Should we remove -Wdeclaration-after-statement?

2024-01-29 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Jelte Fennema-Nio wrote: > > So my suggestion is for people to respond with -1, -0.5, +-0, +0.5, or > +1 to indicate support against/for the change. -1 for me. -Infinity for refactoring the entire codebase and backpatching. — Mark Dilger Enterp

Re: Escape output of pg_amcheck test

2024-01-08 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 5:41 AM, Mark Dilger wrote: > > The /r modifier defeats the purpose of the patch, at least for my perl > version, perl 5, version 28, subversion 1 (v5.28.1). With just the /aeg > modifier, it works fine. Nevermind. I might be wrong about that. I did

Re: Escape output of pg_amcheck test

2024-01-08 Thread Mark Dilger
purpose of the patch, at least for my perl version, perl 5, version 28, subversion 1 (v5.28.1). With just the /aeg modifier, it works fine. -- Mark Dilger

Re: Table AM Interface Enhancements

2023-11-27 Thread Mark Dilger
uld at least refactor to pass the minimum amount of state information through the table AM API. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Table AM Interface Enhancements

2023-11-24 Thread Mark Dilger
loptions for tables and indexes. This could use some regression tests to exercise the custom reloptions. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] Allow Postgres to pick an unused port to listen

2023-04-12 Thread Mark Dilger
e server itself, all the test infrastructure can use a single, shared solution. As for the implementation, I just briefly scanned the patch. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: running logical replication as the subscription owner

2023-03-24 Thread Mark Dilger
f a privilege deescalation than a privilege escalation, so where's the risk? That's not a rhetorical question. Is there a risk here? Or are we just concerned that most users will set up replication with superuser or some other high-privilege user, and we're trying to protect them from the consequences of that choice? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: running logical replication as the subscription owner

2023-03-24 Thread Mark Dilger
icious content into the publication. I think you are focused on all the bad actors on the subscription-side database and what they can do to each other. That's also valid, but I get the impression that you're losing sight of the risk posed by malicious publishers. Or maybe you ar

Re: BUG: Postgres 14 + vacuum_defer_cleanup_age + FOR UPDATE + UPDATE

2023-03-11 Thread Mark Dilger
ike > use constant ROWCOUNT => 17; > so I just made it a variable. Seems fair. I certainly don't mind. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Transparent column encryption

2023-03-11 Thread Mark Dilger
ondering if you had a particular client use case in mind when you added this block? The new function pg_encrypted_in() appears totally untested, but I have to wonder if that's because we're not round-trip testing pg_dump with column encryption...? The code coverage in pg_dump looks fai

Re: BUG: Postgres 14 + vacuum_defer_cleanup_age + FOR UPDATE + UPDATE

2023-03-09 Thread Mark Dilger
EZE shaves 10-12% off the tests. I didn't > change that, but we also fire off a psql for each tuple for heap_page_items(), > with offset $N no less. That seems to be another 500ms. I don't recall the reasoning. Feel free to optimize the tests. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: HOT chain validation in verify_heapam()

2023-03-07 Thread Mark Dilger
ges a bit. > > - Assorted cosmetic and comment changes. > > I think this is easier to follow and more nearly correct, but what do > you (and others) think? Thanks, Robert. Quickly skimming over this patch, it looks like something reviewable. Your changes to t/004_verify_heapam

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Feb 22, 2023, at 10:49 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-02-22 at 09:27 -0800, Mark Dilger wrote: >> Another option is to execute under the intersection of their >> privileges, where both the definer and the invoker need the >> privileges in order for t

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Dilger
still preventing either party from hijacking privileges of the other. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Transparent column encryption

2023-02-12 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Feb 11, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Mark Dilger wrote: > > Here are some observations I should mention, src/sgml/html/libpq-exec.html needs clarification: > paramFormats[]Specifies whether parameters are text (put a zero in the array > entry for the corresponding parameter) o

Re: Transparent column encryption

2023-02-11 Thread Mark Dilger
e perl tap tests you've included appear to do this (except indirectly when calling test_client); grep'ing for the libpq error message "parameter with forced encryption is not to be encrypted" in the tests has no matches. Is it just not possible? I thought you'd m

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-02-01 Thread Mark Dilger
end (intentionally or otherwise) and add some tables from the > "locally_controlled_stuff" schema, we'll refuse to replicate that into > our eponymous schema. That example is good, though I don't see how "filters" are better than roles+privileges. Care to elaborate? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-31 Thread Mark Dilger
ason why one patch should both split owner > from run-as user and also allow the owner to be a non-superuser. That > seems like two different efforts to me. I don't have a concrete problem with your patch, and wouldn't object if you committed it. My concerns were more how you were phrasing things, but it seems not worth any additional conversation, because it's probably a distinction without a difference. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-30 Thread Mark Dilger
ogically only touching the lefthand side, so you should then have a (nonsuperuser-creator, nonsuperuser-owner) pair. But you don't. You go the apparently needless extra step of just squashing them together. I just don't see why it needs to be like that. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-30 Thread Mark Dilger
s > supposed to defend himself against Alice, and Bob doesn't even seem to > be trying. Maybe we should rename the users to Samson and Delilah? :-) No, Atahualpa and Pizarro. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-30 Thread Mark Dilger
to give responsibility for > those objects to different and especially mutually untrusting users? When public repositories of data, such as the IANA whois database, publish their data via postgres publications. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-30 Thread Mark Dilger
aving Charlie, not Bob, as the "run-as" user helps somewhere right around (D). — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-27 Thread Mark Dilger
es. One advantage of Jeff's idea of using a server object rather than a string is that it becomes more plausibly safe to allow the subscription owner to make changes to that attribute of the subscription. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-18 Thread Mark Dilger
do, because at some point in the future we might extend what things are allowed in that string, and we have to keep everything that contemplates that string in sync. I may have been overly hesitant to tackle that problem. Or maybe I just ran short of round tuits. — Mark Dilger

Re: Non-superuser subscription owners

2023-01-18 Thread Mark Dilger
ckly switched my focus elsewhere. > , and (b) what people think of (1)-(3) above There are different ways of solving (1), and Jeff and I discussed them in Dec 2021. My recollection was that idea (3) was the cleanest. Other ideas might be simpler than (3), or they may just appear simpler bu

Re: Transparent column encryption

2023-01-10 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:26 AM, Mark Dilger wrote: > >-- Cryptographically connected to the encrypted record >patient_id BIGINT NOT NULL, >patient_ssn CHAR(11), > >-- The encrypted record >patient_record TEXT ENCRYPTED WITH (colu

Re: Transparent column encryption

2023-01-10 Thread Mark Dilger
e such "salt"ing (again, maybe the wrong word) because I'm just trying to discuss the general feature, not get into the weeds about which cryptographic algorithm to select. Thoughts? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: BUG: Postgres 14 + vacuum_defer_cleanup_age + FOR UPDATE + UPDATE

2023-01-09 Thread Mark Dilger
he > amcheck/pg_amcheck tests. Ok, I can confirm that. I find the assertion Assert(epoch != (uint32)-1); a bit simpler to reason about, but either way, I agree it is a bug. Thanks for finding this. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: BUG: Postgres 14 + vacuum_defer_cleanup_age + FOR UPDATE + UPDATE

2023-01-09 Thread Mark Dilger
id 0 gets used. Thanks — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: [PATCH] random_normal function

2022-12-09 Thread Mark Dilger
#x27;); + random_normal +--- + NaN +(1 row) + — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-28 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Nov 28, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Mark Dilger > wrote: > >> Isn't this just GRANT .. WITH SET FALSE, INHERIT FALSE, ADMIN TRUE? That >> should allow role administration, without actually granting membership in >> that role, yet, right? > > Can yo

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-28 Thread Mark Dilger
mean here? Are you inventing a new syntax? +GRANT bob TO alice WITH SET FALSE, INHERIT FALSE, ADMIN TRUE; +ERROR: syntax error at or near "SET" +LINE 1: GRANT bob TO alice WITH SET FALSE, INHERIT FALSE, ADMIN TRUE... — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-28 Thread Mark Dilger
bout how hard it is to de-conflate role membership from role administration, and maybe that's a non-starter for reasons I don't recall at the moment. I expect Robert has already contemplated that idea and instead proposed this patch for good reasons. Robert? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-23 Thread Mark Dilger
ng tools can tell when Alice circumvents these settings. Without that bit, the whole thing is inane. Why make Alice jump through hoops that you are explicitly allowing her to jump through? Apparently the answer is that you can point a high speed camera at the hoops. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-23 Thread Mark Dilger
herself, so she gets the behavior she wants? I'm confused now about who controls these settings. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-23 Thread Mark Dilger
articular CREATEROLE > user by revoking the implicit grants with CASCADE. > > But since this implicit grant has, and must have, the bootstrap > superuser as grantor, it is also only reasonable that superusers get > to determine what options are used when creating that grant, rather > than leaving that up to the CREATEROLE user. Yes, this all makes sense, but does it entail that the CREATE ROLE command must behave differently on the basis of a setting? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-22 Thread Mark Dilger
't rather that it always work one way or always the other. It's just to say that I don't want it to work differently based on some poorly advertised property of the role executing the command. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: fixing CREATEROLE

2022-11-22 Thread Mark Dilger
h is well written. Patch 0004 feels like something that won't get committed. The INHERITCREATEDROLES and SETCREATEDROLES in 0004 seems clunky. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Unstable regression test for contrib/pageinspect

2022-11-20 Thread Mark Dilger
test also disables autovacuum, so a background auto-analyze shouldn't be running. Maybe that's why you haven't seen amcheck fall over? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Tables not getting vacuumed in postgres

2022-11-08 Thread Mark Dilger
rticle rather than skipping down to that section. I hope it helps — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Privileges on PUBLICATION

2022-11-04 Thread Mark Dilger
e privileges, it sounds like you mean privileges on the publishing database. But then you talk about CREATE SUBSCRIPTION granting privileges, which would necessarily be on the subscriber database. Can you clarify what you have in mind? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Incorrect comment regarding command completion tags

2022-10-13 Thread Mark Dilger
comment to remove mention of the > Asserts. I also tried to form the comment in a way that's more > understandable about why we always write a "0" in "INSERT 0 ". Your wording is better. +1 — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Should setting TupleTableSlotOps get_heap_tuple=NULL break INSERT..ON CONFLICT DO UPDATE..RETURNING?

2022-09-29 Thread Mark Dilger
ve documentation) and later return a copy of the slot's tuple sans any "system columns" (also per the above documentation) and that's when the core code breaks. It's not the TAM that is broken here, not according to the interface's documentation as I read it. Am I reading it wrong? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Should setting TupleTableSlotOps get_heap_tuple=NULL break INSERT..ON CONFLICT DO UPDATE..RETURNING?

2022-09-29 Thread Mark Dilger
ackendStartup(port=0x7f9edc804080) at postmaster.c:4252:3 frame #25: 0x00010c690d0e postgres`ServerLoop at postmaster.c:1745:7 frame #26: 0x00010c68e23a postgres`PostmasterMain(argc=8, argv=0x7f9edac06440) at postmaster.c:1417:11 frame #27: 0x00010c565249 postgres`main(

Re: why can't a table be part of the same publication as its schema

2022-09-20 Thread Mark Dilger
bobs_pub. Surely this makes more sense? I'm not a huge fan of the keyword "FUTURE" here, but I found a reference to another database that uses that keyword for what I think is a similar purpose. We should choose *something* for this, though, if we want things to be rational going forward. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: why can't a table be part of the same publication as its schema

2022-09-20 Thread Mark Dilger
"later in schema, computed then." A user who diligently consults the documentation for one command to discover what "IN SCHEMA" means may fairly, but wrongly, assume it means the same thing in another command. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: why can't a table be part of the same publication as its schema

2022-09-11 Thread Mark Dilger
ind of confusion, but created another kind. Per the docs on this feature: FOR ALL TABLES IN SCHEMA Marks the publication as one that replicates changes for all tables in the specified list of schemas, including tables created in the future. Like you, I wouldn't expect that defin

Re: why can't a table be part of the same publication as its schema

2022-09-09 Thread Mark Dilger
s intended to future-proof against surprising behavioral changes. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: predefined role(s) for VACUUM and ANALYZE

2022-09-07 Thread Mark Dilger
ion granularity sounds useful, but orthogonal, to this feature. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: predefined role(s) for VACUUM and ANALYZE

2022-09-07 Thread Mark Dilger
ee your patch set get further delayed by things that aren't logically prerequisites. The conversation upthread was useful to determine that they aren't prerequisites, but if anybody wants to explain to me why they are — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: predefined role(s) for VACUUM and ANALYZE

2022-09-07 Thread Mark Dilger
g these other commands, but don't want to regret having drawn the line in the wrong place when later we decide to add more roles like the one you are proposing. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: hash_xlog_split_allocate_page: failed to acquire cleanup lock

2022-08-09 Thread Mark Dilger
en it's not another backend, but our own, and we'd want to debug why we're pinning the same page twice (or more) while replaying wal. Otherwise, maybe it's a race condition with some other process that transiently pins a buffer and occasionally causes this code to panic? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Memory leak fix in psql

2022-07-19 Thread Mark Dilger
t comments down-thread seem reasonable, so I suspect a new patch will be needed. Would you like to author it, or would you prefer that I, as the guilty party, do so? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-16 Thread Mark Dilger
ot asking the community to accept the TAM back as a patch. The freedom I'm talking about is the freedom to design and implement such a third-party TAM without seeking community approval of the TAM's merits. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-16 Thread Mark Dilger
nt, but what about a TAM that wants to route different tuples to different pages? The "current_buf" isn't enough information, and there's no void *extra field, so you're just sunk. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
In what sense does this made-up TAM conflict with mvcc and wal? It doesn't have all the features of heap, but that's not the same thing as violating mvcc or breaking wal. — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Extending USING [heap | mytam | yourtam] grammar and behavior

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
lause or appending no clause. Since the user can do this anyway, what's the security implication in some syntactic sugar? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 8:18 PM, Andres Freund wrote: > > Hi, > > On 2022-06-15 20:10:30 -0700, Mark Dilger wrote: >>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Andres Freund wrote: >>>> But it's up to the TAM what it wants to do with that boolean, if in fact it &g

Re: Extending USING [heap | mytam | yourtam] grammar and behavior

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
just trying to leverage the existing tests as much as I can without having to reinvent tests to cover "chicago", and then reinvent again to cover "detroit", and so forth. If you develop enough TAMs in parallel, and go with the "using heap" solution, you eventually

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
ble with the new one. I'm left no choices but to copy my data over, loose my data, or abort the command. None of those are OK options for me. I'm open to different solutions. If a simple callback like relation_supports_cluster(Relation rel) is too simplistic, and more parameters with mo

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 7:21 PM, Mark Dilger wrote: > >> If a user does that for a table that doesn't support clustering, well, I >> don't >> see what's gained by not erroring out. > > Perhaps they want to give the TAM information about which in

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Andres Freund wrote: > > Hi, > > On 2022-06-15 19:07:50 -0700, Mark Dilger wrote: >>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 6:55 PM, Andres Freund wrote: >>> >>> I think nothing would happen in this case - only pre-clustered tables ge

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
he target is pre-clustered, and both will run against the table if the user has run an ALTER TABLE..CLUSTER ON. Now, we could try to catch that latter command with a utility hook, but since the VACUUM FULL is still problematic, it seems cleaner to just add the callback I am proposi

Re: Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Andres Freund wrote: > > Hi, > > On 2022-06-15 17:21:56 -0700, Mark Dilger wrote: >> While developing various Table Access Methods, I have wanted a callback for >> determining if CLUSTER (and VACUUM FULL) should be run against a tab

Extending USING [heap | mytam | yourtam] grammar and behavior

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
tomers, etc., and for a given piece of DDL that you want to release you only want to say which TAMs not to use, not to nail down which TAM must be used. Thoughts? I'll hold off posting a patch until the general idea is debated. [*] It takes some extra work to get the TAP tests to play al

Modest proposal to extend TableAM API for controlling cluster commands

2022-06-15 Thread Mark Dilger
ay not be clustered" interface overly simplistic? — Mark Dilger EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

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