Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Gavin Flower
On 19/10/17 10:34, Don Seiler wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Vik Fearing mailto:vik.fear...@2ndquadrant.com>> wrote: On 10/18/2017 08:17 PM, Don Seiler wrote: > I disagree with this. It isn't my company's business to test the > Postgres software in development, as much as

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Christopher Browne
On 18 October 2017 at 17:17, Vik Fearing wrote: > On 10/18/2017 08:17 PM, Don Seiler wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Vik Fearing >> mailto:vik.fear...@2ndquadrant.com>> wrote: >> >> On 10/18/2017 05:57 PM, Melvin Davidson wrote: >> > >> > I support the policy of using cautio

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread David G. Johnston
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Don Seiler wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Vik Fearing > wrote: > >> On 10/18/2017 08:17 PM, Don Seiler wrote: >> >> > I disagree with this. It isn't my company's business to test the >> > Postgres software in development, as much as it would be needed

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Don Seiler
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Vik Fearing wrote: > On 10/18/2017 08:17 PM, Don Seiler wrote: > > > I disagree with this. It isn't my company's business to test the > > Postgres software in development, as much as it would be needed and > > appreciated by the community. > > Yeah, let others do

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Vik Fearing
On 10/18/2017 08:17 PM, Don Seiler wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Vik Fearing > mailto:vik.fear...@2ndquadrant.com>> wrote: > > On 10/18/2017 05:57 PM, Melvin Davidson wrote: > > > > I support the policy of using caution with regards to new versions. They > > are often t

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 10/18/2017 11:17 AM, Don Seiler wrote: On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Vik Fearing mailto:vik.fear...@2ndquadrant.com>> wrote: On 10/18/2017 05:57 PM, Melvin Davidson wrote: > > I support the policy of using caution with regards to new versions. They > are often thought of a

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread David G. Johnston
On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I am not sure why this is even a question. There are plenty of businesses > that can risk the deployment of a .0 release but there are also *MANY THAT > CAN NOT*. The proper way to do this is to have a staging server running the > .0 relea

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Don Seiler
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Vik Fearing wrote: > On 10/18/2017 05:57 PM, Melvin Davidson wrote: > > > > I support the policy of using caution with regards to new versions. They > > are often thought of as "bleeding edge" for the reason described by > > David G Johnston. The fact that Postgre

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Vik Fearing
On 10/18/2017 05:57 PM, Melvin Davidson wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:46 AM, David G. Johnston > mailto:david.g.johns...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The contributors do an excellent job but the reality of this > community is that a critical mass of people do not start seriously > t

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 10/18/2017 08:49 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> On 10/18/2017 10:16 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: >>> >>> On 10/18/2017 7:45 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: > > A bit off-topic here,

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 10/18/2017 08:49 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/18/2017 10:16 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: On 10/18/2017 7:45 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: A bit off-topic here, but why upgrade to 9.6 when you can upgrade to 10.0? There's no way we're going to put an

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Melvin Davidson
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:46 AM, David G. Johnston < david.g.johns...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: > >> On 10/18/2017 7:45 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: >> >> A bit off-topic here, but why upgrade to 9

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/18/2017 10:16 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: On 10/18/2017 7:45 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: A bit off-topic here, but why upgrade to 9.6 when you can upgrade to 10.0? There's no way we're going to put an x.0.0 version into production. Then think

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread David G. Johnston
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: > On 10/18/2017 7:45 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: > > A bit off-topic here, but why upgrade to 9.6 when you can upgrade to > 10.0? > > > There's no way we're going to put an x.0.0 version into p

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Igal @ Lucee.org
On 10/18/2017 7:45 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: A bit off-topic here, but why upgrade to 9.6 when you can upgrade to 10.0? There's no way we're going to put an x.0.0 version into production. Then think of it as 9.7.0 but with an easier name to pronou

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Achilleas Mantzios
On 18/10/2017 17:34, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: On 10/18/2017 6:24 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2017 11:17 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Ron Johnson writes: Where can I look to see (roughly) how much more RAM/CPU/disk needed when moving from 8.4 and 9.2? It's entirely possible you'll need *less*, as y

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/18/2017 09:34 AM, Igal @ Lucee.org wrote: On 10/18/2017 6:24 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2017 11:17 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Ron Johnson writes: Where can I look to see (roughly) how much more RAM/CPU/disk needed when moving from 8.4 and 9.2? It's entirely possible you'll need *less*, a

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Igal @ Lucee.org
On 10/18/2017 6:24 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2017 11:17 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Ron Johnson writes: Where can I look to see (roughly) how much more RAM/CPU/disk needed when moving from 8.4 and 9.2? It's entirely possible you'll need *less*, as you'll be absorbing the benefit of several yea

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On 10/17/2017 11:17 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Ron Johnson writes: Where can I look to see (roughly) how much more RAM/CPU/disk needed when moving from 8.4 and 9.2? It's entirely possible you'll need *less*, as you'll be absorbing the benefit of several years' worth of performance improvements. But

Re: [GENERAL] Finally upgrading to 9.6!

2017-10-17 Thread Tom Lane
Ron Johnson writes: > Where can I look to see (roughly) how much more RAM/CPU/disk needed when > moving from 8.4 and 9.2? It's entirely possible you'll need *less*, as you'll be absorbing the benefit of several years' worth of performance improvements. But this is such a workload-dependent thin