Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 18:41:25 -0500, "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 07:20:27PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > My damn powerbook drive recently failed with very little warning, other > than I did notice that disk activity seemed to be getting a bit slower.

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-10 Thread Douglas McNaught
Greg Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Douglas McNaught <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never heard of a 15kRPM SATA drive. > > Well, dollar for dollar you would get the best performance from slower drives > anyways since it would give you more spindles. 15kRPM

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Greg Stark
Steve Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On May 9, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Hannes Dorbath wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've just had some discussion with colleagues regarding the usage of > > hardware or software raid 1/10 for our linux based database servers. > > > > I myself can't see much reason to

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Greg Stark
Douglas McNaught <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Vivek Khera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On May 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > >> And dollar for dollar, SCSI will NOT be faster nor have the hard > >> drive capacity that you will get with SATA. > > > > Does this hold true s

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Douglas McNaught
Vivek Khera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On May 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> And dollar for dollar, SCSI will NOT be faster nor have the hard >> drive capacity that you will get with SATA. > > Does this hold true still under heavy concurrent-write loads? I'm > preparing yet

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Vivek Khera
On May 9, 2006, at 11:51 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Sorry that is an extremely misleading statement. SATA RAID is perfectly acceptable if you have a hardware raid controller with a battery backup controller. And dollar for dollar, SCSI will NOT be faster nor have the hard drive capacity

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Steve Atkins
On May 9, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: ("Using SATA drives is always a bit of risk, as some drives are lying about whether they are caching or not.") Don't buy those drives. That's unrelated to whether you use hardware or software RAID. Sorry that is an extremely misleading st

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Don't buy those drives. That's unrelated to whether you use hardware or software RAID. Sorry that is an extremely misleading statement. SATA RAID is perfectly acceptable if you have a hardware raid controller with a battery backup controller. And dollar for dollar, SCSI will NOT be faster n

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 12:10:32 +0200, "Jean-Yves F. Barbier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Naa, you can find ATA &| SATA ctrlrs for about EUR30 ! But those are the ones that you would generally be better off not using. > Definitely NOT, however if your server doen't have a heavy load, the > so

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Steve Atkins
On May 9, 2006, at 2:16 AM, Hannes Dorbath wrote: Hi, I've just had some discussion with colleagues regarding the usage of hardware or software raid 1/10 for our linux based database servers. I myself can't see much reason to spend $500 on high end controller cards for a simple Raid 1.

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Hannes Dorbath
On 09.05.2006 12:10, Jean-Yves F. Barbier wrote: Naa, you can find ATA &| SATA ctrlrs for about EUR30 ! Sure, just for my colleagues Raid Controller = IPC Vortex, which resides in that price range. For bi-core CPUs, it might be true I've got that from pgsql.performance for multi-way opter

Re: [GENERAL] Arguments Pro/Contra Software Raid

2006-05-09 Thread Jean-Yves F. Barbier
Hi Hannes, Hannes Dorbath a écrit : > Hi, > > I've just had some discussion with colleagues regarding the usage of > hardware or software raid 1/10 for our linux based database servers. > > I myself can't see much reason to spend $500 on high end controller > cards for a simple Raid 1. Naa, you