Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-04-07 Thread Michael Gould
Thanks to all Sent from Samsung mobile Chris Angelico wrote: >On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: >> Note that Ubuntu also comes in a GUI free server edition as well.  I >> can definitely state that Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server edition is rock >> solid stable for the hardware I've

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-06 Thread Gavin Flower
Hmm... I also use 64 bit Fedora 16, on an AMD quad core at home, and on a dual Xeon quad cores at work. For a desktop environment, I would recommend xfce for serious work over GNOME 3. However, GNOME 3 is fine if you prefer fashion over functionality. I have 25 virtual desktops, and make ful

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-05 Thread mgould
Thanks for all of the help. I will be doing some testing in VM's this week before loading on my other server. Michael Gould Intermodal Software Solutions, LLC 904-226-0978 Original Message Subject: Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run From: r d Date: Mon, March 05, 2012 5:

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-05 Thread r d
>> >> If we move to Linux, what is the preferred Linux for running Postgres >> on. This machine would be dedicated to the database only.=20 >> >> I'd like a recommendation for both a GUI hosted version and a non-GUI >> version. I haven't used Linux in the past but did spend several year s >> in a

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-04 Thread Brent Wood
04, 2012 3:23 PM To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run On 3/3/2012 7:05 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > > [ raised eyebrow... ] As the person responsible for the packaging > you're dissing, I'd be interested to know exactly why you feel that > the Red Hat/Ce

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-04 Thread Gavin Flower
On 04/03/12 09:49, John R Pierce wrote: On 03/03/12 2:55 AM, Gavin Flower wrote: My knowledge of Debian is via friend's (an extremely competent and experienced Unix guy who got me into Linux & who still runs Debian) comments and what I've noticed on the web. For a Desktop development machin

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-04 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 14:15 -0700, David Boreham wrote: > > We use CentOS 5 and 6 and install PG from the yum repository detailed > on the postgresql.org web site. Those RPMs will probably be a part of CentOS Testing repository soon. I and Karanbir had a chat about it at FOSDEM this year. -- D

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Chris Travers wrote: > I thought I was clear that my experiences thus far had not been > RHEL/CentOS/SL because I tended to compile my own on such platforms.  I have > however seen Fedora do that, and it is a caution worth noting going forward. > > The question is w

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Chris Travers
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:39 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 03/03/12 7:01 PM, Chris Travers wrote: > >> On the negative, I have seen a yum-based upgrade between versions happily >> upgrade the binaries from 8.4.x to 9.0.x >> > > I haven't. > > I thought I was clear that my experiences thus far

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/03/12 7:01 PM, Chris Travers wrote: On the negative, I have seen a yum-based upgrade between versions happily upgrade the binaries from 8.4.x to 9.0.x I haven't. the PG 9.x yum packages not only have a different name, they install into different directories. here I have dead stock

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Chris Travers
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 6:23 PM, David Boreham wrote: > On 3/3/2012 7:05 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > >> >> [ raised eyebrow... ] As the person responsible for the packaging >> you're dissing, I'd be interested to know exactly why you feel that >> the Red Hat/CentOS PG packages "can never be trusted". C

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:23 PM, David Boreham wrote: > I stick by my opinion that anyone who goes with the OS-bundled version of a > database server, for any sort of serious production use, is making a > mistake. I would qualify this. If you accept the OS-bundled version, you are relinquishing r

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Jon Nelson
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM, David Boreham wrote: > On 3/3/2012 7:05 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >> >> >> [ raised eyebrow... ]  As the person responsible for the packaging >> you're dissing, I'd be interested to know exactly why you feel that >> the Red Hat/CentOS PG packages "can never be trusted".  

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread David Boreham
On 3/3/2012 7:05 PM, Tom Lane wrote: [ raised eyebrow... ] As the person responsible for the packaging you're dissing, I'd be interested to know exactly why you feel that the Red Hat/CentOS PG packages "can never be trusted". Certainly they tend to be from older release branches as a result of

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Tom Lane
David Boreham writes: > Long thread - figured may as well toss in some data: > We use CentOS 5 and 6 and install PG from the yum repository detailed on > the postgresql.org web site. > We've found that the PG shipped as part of the OS can never be trusted > for production use, so we don't care

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread David Boreham
Long thread - figured may as well toss in some data: We use CentOS 5 and 6 and install PG from the yum repository detailed on the postgresql.org web site. We've found that the PG shipped as part of the OS can never be trusted for production use, so we don't care what version ships with the OS

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread John R Pierce
On 03/03/12 2:55 AM, Gavin Flower wrote: My knowledge of Debian is via friend's (an extremely competent and experienced Unix guy who got me into Linux & who still runs Debian) comments and what I've noticed on the web. For a Desktop development machine, I currently prefer Fedora, but for a s

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Gavin Flower
On 03/03/12 23:33, Leif Biberg Kristensen wrote: Lørdag 3. mars 2012 01.43.29 skrev Gavin Flower : I think if you are going to select a member of the Debian family, I would strongly recommend Debian itself. I have the impression that the Debian community is more serious about quality than Can

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Chris Travers wrote: > Two quick notes: > > First, you really want a long-term support release.  Your main options here > are Debian and spinoffs (Ubuntu LTS, for example) and RedHat Enterprise and > spinoffs (CentOS, Scientific Linux, etc).  If you know one of thes

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:36 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Leif Biberg Kristensen > wrote: >> My current gripe is this: The «stable» version of Postgres on Debian is 8.4. >> In order to install 9.1... >> This seems a rather roundabout way, is there a better one? > > W

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Leif Biberg Kristensen wrote: > > My current gripe is this: The «stable» version of Postgres on Debian is 8.4. > In order to install 9.1, I added this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: > > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free > > Then I did a

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Leif Biberg Kristensen
Lørdag 3. mars 2012 12.34.27 skrev Raymond O'Donnell : > You can get Postgres 9.1 from backports.debian.org: > > deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main Ah, sweet, thank you! regards, Leif -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) T

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Leif Biberg Kristensen wrote: > My current gripe is this: The «stable» version of Postgres on Debian is 8.4. > In order to install 9.1... > This seems a rather roundabout way, is there a better one? We use Debian at work, and I went for the other favorite way of ge

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Raymond O'Donnell
On 03/03/2012 10:33, Leif Biberg Kristensen wrote: > Lørdag 3. mars 2012 01.43.29 skrev Gavin Flower : > >> I think if you are going to select a member of the Debian family, I >> would strongly recommend Debian itself. I have the impression that the >> Debian community is more serious about quali

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Chris Travers
Two quick notes: First, you really want a long-term support release. Your main options here are Debian and spinoffs (Ubuntu LTS, for example) and RedHat Enterprise and spinoffs (CentOS, Scientific Linux, etc). If you know one of these groups go with it. Second, GUI's usually come separate from

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Leif Biberg Kristensen
Lørdag 3. mars 2012 01.43.29 skrev Gavin Flower : > I think if you are going to select a member of the Debian family, I > would strongly recommend Debian itself. I have the impression that the > Debian community is more serious about quality than Canonical (the > company behind Ubuntu). I haven'

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-03 Thread Gavin Flower
On 02/03/12 01:25, Ivan Voras wrote: On 28/02/2012 18:17, Rich Shepard wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, mgo...@isstrucksoftware.net wrote: If we move to Linux, what is the preferred Linux for running Postgres on. This machine would be dedicated to the database only. Michael, There is no 'prefe

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-02 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Ivan Voras wrote: On 28/02/2012 17:57, mgo...@isstrucksoftware.net wrote: Our application runs on Windows, however we have been told that we can pick any OS to run our server on. I'm thinking Linux because from everything I've read, it appears to be a better on performance and there are other f

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-01 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > > One interesting thing I've discovered recently is that there is a HUGE > difference in performance between CentOS 6.0 and Ubuntu Server 10.04 > (LTS) in at least the memory allocator and possibly also multithreading > libraries (in favour of Ce

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-01 Thread Ivan Voras
On 28/02/2012 17:57, mgo...@isstrucksoftware.net wrote: > Our application runs on Windows, however we have been told that we can > pick any OS to run our server on. I'm thinking Linux because from > everything I've read, it appears to be a better on performance and there > are other features like

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-01 Thread Ivan Voras
On 28/02/2012 18:17, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, mgo...@isstrucksoftware.net wrote: > >> If we move to Linux, what is the preferred Linux for running Postgres >> on. This machine would be dedicated to the database only. > > Michael, > > There is no 'preferred' linux distribution

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-03-01 Thread Vincent Veyron
Le mercredi 29 février 2012 à 11:31 -0500, Gary Chambers a écrit : > > Note that Ubuntu also comes in a GUI free server edition as well. I can > > definitely state that Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server edition is rock solid stable > > +1 > > I've been running 10.04 LTS Server for over three years (on a D

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-29 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Gary Chambers wrote: >> I've been running 10.04 LTS Server for over three years (on a Dell >> PowerEdge >> 2850) using Martin Pitt's PostgreSQL 9.1 PPA. > > > I apologize.  That's over two years. Darnit! I was hoping to borrow your time machine too. :) -- Sen

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-29 Thread Gary Chambers
I've been running 10.04 LTS Server for over three years (on a Dell PowerEdge 2850) using Martin Pitt's PostgreSQL 9.1 PPA. I apologize. That's over two years. -- G. -- Sent via pgsql-general mailing list (pgsql-general@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresq

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-29 Thread Gary Chambers
Note that Ubuntu also comes in a GUI free server edition as well. I can definitely state that Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server edition is rock solid stable +1 I've been running 10.04 LTS Server for over three years (on a Dell PowerEdge 2850) using Martin Pitt's PostgreSQL 9.1 PPA. -- Gary Chambers --

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > Note that Ubuntu also comes in a GUI free server edition as well.  I > can definitely state that Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Server edition is rock > solid stable for the hardware I've run it on (48 core AMD and 40 core > Intel machines with LSI, Arecam

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: >  The Ubuntus boot directly into the GUI and that tends to be more > comfortable for newly defenestrated users. If you like that, but want the > more open and readily-available equivalent, install Debian. The ubuntus are > derivatives of debi

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread hamann . w
>> >> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, haman...@t-online.de wrote: >> >> > one thing you might want to consider is system lifetime: some distro may >> > be set up so that you more or less have to reinstall within 2 years, if >> > you plan to use update service - others may be longer. Now, fast >> > developme

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, haman...@t-online.de wrote: one thing you might want to consider is system lifetime: some distro may be set up so that you more or less have to reinstall within 2 years, if you plan to use update service - others may be longer. Now, fast development is great AND allows you t

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread hamann . w
>> >> If we move to Linux, what is the preferred Linux for running Postgres >> on. This machine would be dedicated to the database only.=20 >> >> I'd like a recommendation for both a GUI hosted version and a non-GUI >> version. I haven't used Linux in the past but did spend several year s >> in

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread Steve Atkins
On Feb 28, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Adam Cornett wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, wrote: > Our application runs on Windows, however we have been told that we can > pick any OS to run our server on. I'm thinking Linux because from > everything I've read, it appears to be a better on performan

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Shepard
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, mgo...@isstrucksoftware.net wrote: If we move to Linux, what is the preferred Linux for running Postgres on. This machine would be dedicated to the database only. Michael, There is no 'preferred' linux distribution; the flame wars on this topic died out a decade or so a

Re: [GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread Adam Cornett
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, wrote: > Our application runs on Windows, however we have been told that we can > pick any OS to run our server on. I'm thinking Linux because from > everything I've read, it appears to be a better on performance and there > are other features like tablespaces w

[GENERAL] what Linux to run

2012-02-28 Thread mgould
Our application runs on Windows, however we have been told that we can pick any OS to run our server on. I'm thinking Linux because from everything I've read, it appears to be a better on performance and there are other features like tablespaces which we could take advantage of. On our hosted sol