Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

2000-01-02 Thread Marten Feldtmann
> Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as we become more > > popular? > > The 3 greatest technical/engineering challenges: 1) system reliability > & recoverability, 2) system reliability & recoverability, and 3) system reliability > and reco

Re: PostgreSQL Portable Runtime (was Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL)

1999-12-30 Thread Howie
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Robert wrote: > Hi, > > one of the important factors that contributed to the popularity and success of > Apache, Perl, Tcl/Tk etc. was their platform independence. I'm big fan of Unix (and > even bigger of Postgres ;-), but BeOS, MacOS X, even Win2000 all look quite > inter

PostgreSQL Portable Runtime (was Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL)

1999-12-30 Thread Robert
Hi, one of the important factors that contributed to the popularity and success of Apache, Perl, Tcl/Tk etc. was their platform independence. I'm big fan of Unix (and even bigger of Postgres ;-), but BeOS, MacOS X, even Win2000 all look quite interesting too and I don't want to tie myself to jus

Re: PostgreSQL Portable Runtime (was Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL)

1999-12-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
> P.S. Cygwin is definitely one of the options, but RedHat/Cygnus's plans are not very > > clear at this point and few months ago there were even some rumors about plans for > 'more restrictive licence' for cygwin - and anyway, cygwin wouldn't be of any help > to Mac/BeOS/VAX/mainframe people. W

PostgreSQL Portable Runtime (was Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL)

1999-12-30 Thread Robert
Hi, one of the important factors that contributed to the popularity and success of Apache, Perl, Tcl/Tk etc. was their platform independence. I'm big fan of Unix (and even bigger of Postgres ;-), but BeOS, MacOS X, even Win2000 all look quite interesting too and I don't want to tie myself to jus

Fw: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-27 Thread Nikolay Mijaylov
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Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-27 Thread Adriaan Joubert
Hi, Yes, I think reliability needs more work. I've had quite a few problems with system indexes getting corrupted (number of tuples incorrect and some other bizarre problems). Very hard to pin down as I haven't been able to reproduce any of these cases. I've got the feeling that there may be

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-27 Thread Adriaan Joubert
john huttley wrote: > > I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are > > working on write-ahead log, long tuples, foreign keys, and outer joins. > > Anything else? > > Yes, earlier in the year I was trying to migrate from Pervasive SQL to > posgtres and > came to a screaming

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-27 Thread Karel Zak - Zakkr
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Howie wrote: > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as > > > > we become more popular? > > > > > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. > > > > I

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-27 Thread Karel Zak - Zakkr
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > - A dump program that can dump/restore large objects. > > > > Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining, and we work with PostgreSQL a lot > > without any big problems. Just some ideas to make it easier for the > > administrator. > > We are going to

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-27 Thread franck
Well, I like to see replication, at least snapshot type, and later merge type... Snapshot should allow load balancing while querying db, and allow distributed web/db server. The replication should work over LAN/WAN and snailmail. The replication shouldn't be dependent of a transport/network confi

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Lamar Owen
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Clark C. Evans wrote: > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. > > I know we have (and have for awhile) a good deal of Oracle > compatibility...what do you mean by 'Plug-In Oracle 7 compatibility'? Plug in Oracle compatibility would

Re: Reliabilty, was [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Thomas Reinke
Mike Mascari wrote: > > Thomas Reinke wrote: > > > 1) Up front, I'll state that we use 6.3, so a number of > >the technical glitches may have been solved since... > > 6.3 is unbelievably old. Perhaps you weren't getting responses since most > people don't use versions of PostgreSQL that o

Re: Reliabilty, was [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Mike Mascari
Thomas Reinke wrote: > 1) Up front, I'll state that we use 6.3, so a number of >the technical glitches may have been solved since... 6.3 is unbelievably old. Perhaps you weren't getting responses since most people don't use versions of PostgreSQL that old? I know I tend not to respond to pos

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Oliver Fischer
> I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are > working on write-ahead log, long tuples, foreign keys, and outer > joins. > Anything else? Yes, PL/SQL compatibility would be nice. ;-) Bye, Oliver #--{ [EMAIL PROTECTED] } Oliver Fischer, Glei

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Charles Tassell
At 10:27 PM 12/25/99, Bruce Momjian wrote: >[snip] > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. > >I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are >working on write-ahead log, long tuples, foreign keys, and outer joins. >Anything else? Replication would be nice, or some other form of clu

Reliabilty, was [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Thomas Reinke
> > > once again. The *perception* remains, however, that pgsql still > > leaves a bit to be desired in the areas of reliability and > > maintainability. This needs to be remedied. Like I said, progress > > has been mad, but it appears pgsql isn't quite out of the woods yet. > > I keep hearin

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Ed Loehr
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Ed Loehr wrote: > > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > We don't have roll-forward logging until 7.1, and require vacuum > > > regularly. Other than that, I don't know of any major issues. > > > Reliability has always been of primary importance. We

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hi, > > > > The 3 greatest technical/engineering challenges: 1) system > > > reliability & recoverability, 2) system reliability & recoverability, > > > and 3) system reliability and recoverability. > > > > And we don't have a problem in

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
> Howdy > > A question, if you still have some code in the source that > originated at Berkeley how do you change the license? > > Do you breakout new code from old code and have a different > license for old vs. new code? Just add it to the top. If someone wants it without oure

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Bruce Momjian
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are > > working on write-ahead log, long tuples, foreign keys, and outer joins. > > Anything else? > > Yes, earlier in the year I was trying to migrate from Pervasive SQL to >

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Howie
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as > > > we become more popular? > > > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. > > I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. W

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread Diana Eichert
Howdy A question, if you still have some code in the source that originated at Berkeley how do you change the license? Do you breakout new code from old code and have a different license for old vs. new code? > I'm against any change in license, except for the upcoming exten

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-26 Thread john huttley
> I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are > working on write-ahead log, long tuples, foreign keys, and outer joins. > Anything else? Yes, earlier in the year I was trying to migrate from Pervasive SQL to posgtres and came to a screaming halt when it wouldn't do a large v

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 26 Dec 1999, Ed Loehr wrote: > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > We don't have roll-forward logging until 7.1, and require vacuum > > regularly. Other than that, I don't know of any major issues. > > Reliability has always been of primary importance. We wouldn't be where > > we are today wit

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
> I don't think the *BSD's have intentionally tried any such thing. You > could possibly have picked up these vibes from certain members of the Open > BSD camp, but I wouldn't extend them to encompass the *BSD community at > large. (And I wonder if I should comment about how Linux people are

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Clark C. Evans wrote: > > > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as > > we become more popular? > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. I know we have (and have for awhile) a good deal of Oracle compatibility...

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Ed Loehr
Bruce Momjian wrote: > We don't have roll-forward logging until 7.1, and require vacuum > regularly. Other than that, I don't know of any major issues. > Reliability has always been of primary importance. We wouldn't be where > we are today without reliability. Here's an idea: How about a web

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as > > > we become more popular? > > > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. > > I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are > wor

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as > > we become more popular? > > Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility. I believe we are adding Oracle compatibility as possible. We are working on write-ahead log, long tuples, foreign keys,

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as > we become more popular? Plug-in Oracle 7 compatibility.

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > > system that won't stay up consistently is approaching worthlessness > > > for mission-critical 24x7 applications. And if the masses > > > leave because of system reliability problems, you can be very, > > > very certain about what they will tell their friends and coworkers. > > > > And we

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
> Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as we > become more > popular? > > The 3 greatest technical/engineering challenges: 1) system > reliability & recoverability, 2) system reliability & recoverability, > and 3) system reliability and recoverability.

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Ed Loehr
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as we > > become more > popular? > > > > The 3 greatest technical/engineering challenges: 1) system > > reliability & recoverability, 2) system reliability & recoverability, > > and 3) sy

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Ed Loehr
Bruce Momjian wrote: > My big question is, what new challenges will we face as we become more > popular? The 3 greatest technical/engineering challenges: 1) system reliability & recoverability, 2) system reliability & recoverability, and 3) system reliability and recoverability. The masses won

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
> >We certainly have the power to add a license of our own. BSDI has done > >this, as well as many other companies. I don't want to wait until > >things get very busy and then try to address these issues. We may > >decide we don't want to do anything, but I would like to decide that > >now. >

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Jose Miguel Pereira Tavares
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> The worst thing we could do is to intentionally try to stay less than >> popular. There's a reason Linux is taking off and *BSD isn't really, and >> it's not technology. (Sorry, Marc.) > >I think everyone can

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
> On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > Consider this: > > > > The stock market going crazy over Linux stocks > > Interbase users are considering moving en-mass to PostgreSQL > > Publishers are crawling all over each other to publish a PostgreSQL book These three items rep

Re: [GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Consider this: > > The stock market going crazy over Linux stocks > Interbase users are considering moving en-mass to PostgreSQL > Publishers are crawling all over each other to publish a PostgreSQL book > > With these signs, it is p

[GENERAL] Future of PostgreSQL

1999-12-25 Thread Bruce Momjian
Consider this: The stock market going crazy over Linux stocks Interbase users are considering moving en-mass to PostgreSQL Publishers are crawling all over each other to publish a PostgreSQL book With these signs, it is possible we may be _very_ popular in the near future