Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-12 Thread Jehan-Guillaume de Rorthais
Le 11 juin 2021 19:47:09 GMT+02:00, Nikolay Samokhvalov a écrit : >My thoughts: >https://twitter.com/samokhvalov/status/1403408281389789189. >Apologies for top-posting. So now, we can have a thread split over two different places and tools...

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-11 Thread Nikolay Samokhvalov
My thoughts: https://twitter.com/samokhvalov/status/1403408281389789189. Apologies for top-posting. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:04 AM Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 10:21:00PM +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > > > I wonder about the tolerance of the world we live in. Somehow, I can

Re: Even more OT: Ditto machines [was: bottom / top posting]

2021-06-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 01:52:24PM -0700, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: > Tom mentioned "old-timers."  Remember "Ditto" machines?  Remember the odor?  > They were in common use when I was in high school (1960). > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph Yeah, everyone at school would sm

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 10:21:00PM +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > > I wonder about the tolerance of the world we live in.  Somehow, I can deal > > with > > top-posting, bottom-posting, middle-posting, HTML eMail, straight-text > > eMails, > > 80-column eMails, variable-width eMails, occasional A

Re: Even more OT: Ditto machines [was: bottom / top posting]

2021-06-10 Thread Adrian Ho
On 11/6/21 4:52 am, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: Tom mentioned "old-timers."  Remember "Ditto" machines?  Remember the odor?  They were in common use when I was in high school (1960). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph Was intimately acquainted with them during my military servi

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-10 Thread Francisco Olarte
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:42 PM Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: ... > Top-posting has been the predominantly common practice in the business & > government world for decades, & it is easy to adapt to. Just like HTML eMail (within reason) & more than 80 columns on a line. Yeah, but I disli

Re: Even more OT: Ditto machines [was: bottom / top posting]

2021-06-10 Thread Francisco Olarte
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 10:52 PM Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: > Tom mentioned "old-timers." Remember "Ditto" machines? Remember the odor? > They were in common use when I was in high school (1960). > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph I was in the spanish equivalent of high sch

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-10 Thread Steve Litt
probably figure out some way to >address those placards automatically, but haven’t tried as of yet. I >wonder if I could do it with a rule/scripting . . . . > > >From: Vijaykumar Jain >Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 7:06 AM >To: pgsql-general >Subject: bottom / top posting

Re: Even more OT: Ditto machines [was: bottom / top posting]

2021-06-10 Thread Rob Sargent
Indeed I "ditto" remember them! And the smell was the prize for running an errand for the teacher to pick up copies from the Mimeograph room. -Tom Hand-cranked Gestetner, anyone?  Blotchy ink, indelible mess but made one feel a brother of Gutenberg.

Re: Even more OT: Ditto machines [was: bottom / top posting]

2021-06-10 Thread Tom Browder
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 15:52 Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) < postgre...@mailpen.com> wrote: > On 2021-06-10 13:21, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > > On 2021-06-09 14:41:47 -0700, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: > > ... when paper memos were the norm ... > > ... before photocopiers were invented..

Even more OT: Ditto machines [was: bottom / top posting]

2021-06-10 Thread Dean Gibson (DB Administrator)
On 2021-06-10 13:21, Peter J. Holzer wrote: On 2021-06-09 14:41:47 -0700, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: ... when paper memos were the norm ... ... before photocopiers were invented... Tom mentioned "old-timers."  Remember "Ditto" machines?  Remember the odor?  They were in common use

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-10 Thread Jan Wieck
On 6/10/21 12:08 PM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote: Alternatively, where I deem appropriate I will do inline posting/clipping, but I always announce that at the top (posting) of the response. "where you deem appropriate" you will do that, and where "I deem appropriate" I will stop reading w

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-10 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2021-06-10 01:23:34 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) said on Wed, 9 Jun 2021 14:41:47 -0700 > >Top-posting has been the predominantly common practice in the business > >& government world for decades, & it is easy to adapt to.  > > OF COURSE! In business you need the C

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-10 Thread Peter J. Holzer
On 2021-06-09 14:41:47 -0700, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 07:53:30PM +0200, Francisco Olarte wrote: > > ... properly scanning a top posted one takes much longer. > > > Not here. > > > I find top-posting moderately offensive, like sayin

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-10 Thread Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
/ top posting Think Before You Click: This email originated outside our organization. I hear a lot of suggestions wrt bottom / top posting. only when i read this, PostgreSQL - general - Top posting | Threaded View (postgresql-archive.org)<https://www.postgresql-archive.org/Top-posting-tt5961

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Steve Litt
Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) said on Wed, 9 Jun 2021 14:41:47 -0700 >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 07:53:30PM +0200, Francisco Olarte wrote: >>> ... properly scanning a top posted one takes much longer. > >Not here. Depends on whether the top-poster reiterates nouns instead of just using pronou

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Adrian Ho
On 7/6/21 8:05 pm, Vijaykumar Jain wrote: I hear a lot of suggestions wrt bottom / top posting. To be pedantic, the preferred posting style seems in fact to be *inline trim-posting*, i.e. * your responses are immediately below the text you're replying to, so the context is immedi

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Adrian Klaver
On 6/9/21 2:41 PM, Dean Gibson (DB Administrator) wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 07:53:30PM +0200, Francisco Olarte wrote: ... properly scanning a top posted one takes much longer. I wonder about the tolerance of the world we live in.  Somehow, I can deal with top-posting, bottom-posting,

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Dave Cramer
> The reason why the old-timers around here are sticky about this is that > we believe we are writing for the mailing list archives. Gmail-style > quoting is indeed the appropriate amount of effort for throwaway threads > that only a few people will read and (probably) none of them will consult >

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Tom Browder
On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 17:05 Tom Lane wrote: > "Dean Gibson (DB Administrator)" writes: > > Top-posting has been the predominantly common practice in the business & > > government world for decades, & it is easy to adapt to. But it sure adds to the digital clutter! The reason why the old-time

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Tom Lane
"Dean Gibson (DB Administrator)" writes: > Top-posting has been the predominantly common practice in the business & > government world for decades, & it is easy to adapt to. The reason why the old-timers around here are sticky about this is that we believe we are writing for the mailing list arc

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Dean Gibson (DB Administrator)
On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 07:53:30PM +0200, Francisco Olarte wrote: ... properly scanning a top posted one takes much longer. Not here. I find top-posting moderately offensive, like saying "I am not going to waste time to make your reading experience better". Not here either. Top-posting

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-09 Thread Jan Wieck
On 6/7/21 5:40 PM, Joshua Drake wrote: At least the students haven't discovered this list yet and are posting their homework assignments (like they do on chat channels). You forgot to mention that they are posting their homework assignments as cellphone pictures taken from half broken implemen

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-08 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 07:53:30PM +0200, Francisco Olarte wrote: > message like yours in 5-10 seconds, properly scanning a top posted one > takes much longer. So normally I stop reading at the quote and discard > the message if I have not understood with what I have read UNLESS it's > from my moth

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Joshua Drake
> > > > It > > could probably be argued that the prohibition was more relevant in the > days > > before 99% of users read their email via clients which hide quoted > content > > unless it is explicitly expanded. > > Yeah, gmail is aggressively unfriendly for this purpose. But if you > can't be bo

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Dean Gibson (DB Administrator)
And do not get me started on the "sent from my iPhone / yahoo mail for Android / ...", above/below the megaquote in mailing lists like this. And then there's the wonderful signatures stating that there were no viruses in the outgoing message ...

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Francisco Olarte
Tom: On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 6:32 PM Tom Lane wrote: > It's really critical to understand that bottom-posting also requires > heavy trimming of how much of the previous message(s) you quote. I think we would need to find a different name, Trim-posting? Bottom posting with full quoting is, as you

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Francisco Olarte
Sam: On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 6:20 PM Sam Gendler wrote: > It could probably be argued that the prohibition was more relevant in the > days before 99% of users read their email via clients which hide quoted > content unless it is explicitly expanded. Arguably, smarter digesting > software whic

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Tom Lane
Sam Gendler writes: > It's not so much that it is rude in the way of typing in all-caps, it's > more that it leads to endlessly long chains of quoted posts below the > relevant content, It's really critical to understand that bottom-posting also requires heavy trimming of how much of the previous

Re: bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Sam Gendler
On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 5:06 AM Vijaykumar Jain < vijaykumarjain.git...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I got a feeling it sounded rude to the top post, despite me not even > having an iota of intention to think that way. > It's not so much that it is rude in the way of typing in all-caps, it's more that it

bottom / top posting

2021-06-07 Thread Vijaykumar Jain
I hear a lot of suggestions wrt bottom / top posting. only when i read this, PostgreSQL - general - Top posting | Threaded View (postgresql-archive.org) <https://www.postgresql-archive.org/Top-posting-tt5961037.html#none> I got a feeling it sounded rude to the top post, despite me no