Re: [perl #37100] [PATCH] Pod tests + fixes

2005-09-10 Thread Joshua Hoblitt
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:26:04PM -0700, Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Fr 09. Sep 2005, 02:15:03]: > > > > I completely missed the fact that Parrot_Docs.t even existed, DOH! > > Although, it looks like there would be no duplication of testing. The > > pod.t file I sub

Re: [perl #37100] [PATCH] Pod tests + fixes

2005-09-10 Thread Joshua Hoblitt
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 11:38:55AM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:26:04PM -0700, Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote: > > I have committed the new test 't/doc/pod.t'. > > Great. Were the make targets left out on purpose? Nevermind. I can see the changes now. -J -- p

Re: [perl #37100] [PATCH] Pod tests + fixes

2005-09-10 Thread Bernhard Schmalhofer
Joshua Hoblitt schrieb: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 11:38:55AM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:26:04PM -0700, Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote: I have committed the new test 't/doc/pod.t'. Great. Were the make targets left out on purpose? Nevermind.

Re: tcl in leo-ctx5

2005-09-10 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Will Coleda wrote: But it looks like the PMC args are getting *switched* somehow. looking at the stack trace below starting just before the tailcall: This bug is fixed now (r9173), the proposed workaround isn't needed anymore. Thanks for investigating and testing. leo

Re: kwalitee: drop Acme?

2005-09-10 Thread Adam Kennedy
Chromatic wrote: On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 22:28 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: For search results quite the opposite. I'd really like if if the default way people got search results back for CPAN modules at least attempted to order at some level based on citations. (ie number of pre-requisites)

Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, you are in a maze of Test modules, all looking alike. You are likely being beaten by a dependecy. This is a mini-rant on how complex the tesing world for Perl modules has become. It starts harmless, like you want to install some module. This time it wa

Sequence points, undefined behaviour

2005-09-10 Thread Nicholas Clark
I might have missed this somewhere in the documentation, but is Perl 6 going to have any documented notion of things like sequence points, undefined behaviour, etc? Is it going to mandate that function arguments are evaluated in any particular order (eg left to right)? Is it going to fix the behavi

Hyper fmap

2005-09-10 Thread Luke Palmer
I think we should generalize the hyper stuff a little bit more. I want hyper operators serve as "fmap", or "functor map", rather than just list. This is a popular concept, and a pretty obvious generalization. A functor is any object $x on which you can do "fmap" such that it satisfies these laws

Regarding Roles and $?ROLE

2005-09-10 Thread Stevan Little
Hello all. I have some questions about how Roles will behave in certain instances, and when/where/what $?ROLE should be bound too. 1) Given this example, where 'bar' is a method stub (no implementation) role Foo { method bar { ... } } Should the eventually implemented method still have

Re: Regarding Roles and $?ROLE

2005-09-10 Thread Luke Palmer
On 9/11/05, Stevan Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all. > > I have some questions about how Roles will behave in certain > instances, and when/where/what $?ROLE should be bound too. > > 1) Given this example, where 'bar' is a method stub (no implementation) > > role Foo { > method

Re: global destruction

2005-09-10 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 02:37:33PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > Nicholas Clark wrote: > >Second question is that optionally perl 5 can run with complete global > >destruction. This is primarily intended for embedded interpreters, where > >the default implementation (just exit the process to fre

Re: global destruction

2005-09-10 Thread Leopold Toetsch
On Sep 10, 2005, at 21:58, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 02:37:33PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: parrot --leak-test # or the same: parrot --destroy-at-end should free all memory allocated (but doesn't yet). Are these likely to get implemented soon? It is impl

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 05:40:54PM +0200, Tels wrote: > This is a mini-rant on how complex the tesing world for Perl modules has > become. It starts harmless, like you want to install some module. This > time it was CPAN-Depency. > > Since for security reasons your Perl box is not connect

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Ivan Tubert-Brohman
Hi, Tels wrote: Since for security reasons your Perl box is not connected to the net, you fetch it and all dependencies from CPAN and transfer them via sneaker net and USB stick. It includes some gems like: A solution to the sneakernet problem is to have your own CPAN mirror, either on a mac

Re: kwalitee: drop Acme?

2005-09-10 Thread Michael Graham
One of the problems with dependency checking is dealing with a module that optionally uses other modules. For instance a module might have drivers for a bunch of different backends, each of which is optional. For instance, CGI::Session or Class::DBI::Loader. Such a relationship, even though not

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread chromatic
On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 17:40 +0200, Tels wrote: > I am all for putting often used stuff into extra modules, but I think this > has gone way to far, especially the user will go through all this just so > that Random-Module-0.01 can run it's freaky test suite You can always just not run the te

Re: Sub::Uplevel

2005-09-10 Thread Smylers
Ovid writes: > Guess what the following modules all have in common (aside from the > fact that I wrote them)? > > AI::NeuralNet::Simple > AI::Prolog > Games::Maze::FirstPerson > > All of them have failed at one time or another because the target > computer didn't have Sub::Uplevel installe

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 17:40 +0200, Tels wrote: > > I am all for putting often used stuff into extra modules, but I think > > this has gone way to far, especially the user will go through all > > this

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread chromatic
On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Tels wrote: > On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote: > > You can always just not run the tests and hope that things work. If > > the tests don't add any value to you, ignore them. > They add some value to me (show that at least something works).

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Saturday 10 September 2005 21:00, chromatic wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 20:21 +0200, Tels wrote: > > On Saturday 10 September 2005 19:27, chromatic wrote: > > > You can always just not run the tests and hope that things work. > > > If the tests don'

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Saturday 10 September 2005 21:20, Tels wrote: > Moin, btw, here is an idea that occured to me: There is a reason that not every little function in Test::More is it's own module on CPAN: it makes it much easier to maintain and use them. So maybe it would be

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Fergal Daly
On 9/10/05, Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Moin, > > you are in a maze of Test modules, all looking alike. You are likely being > beaten by a dependecy. > > This is a mini-rant on how complex the tesing world for Perl modules has > become. It starts

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-10 Thread Geoffrey Young
They add some value to me (show that at least something works). >>> >>>Either they're valuable enough that you install their prerequisites or >>>they're not. > > > But how am I supposed to find this out? I dont even know whether the > required modules are used for the tests only, without di