On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:43:20PM -0400, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> Namespace Capabilities
[ snip ]
> - Querying Information
> It must be possible to get a list of both variables and subroutines,
> sometimes together and sometimes seperate.
Just a quick addition to that:
It must b
I submitted a patch to parrotbug about 4 hours ago and it hasn't shown
up in RT yet nor have I received the auto-response email. The patch was
rather large so I'm wondering if I haven't hit some sort of message size
limit. Is this a normal lag or should I submit the patch directly
through RT?
Se
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:26:37AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
> Thomas Sandlass wrote:
>
> >I'm still contemplating how to get rid of the :: in the
> >ternary
> >
> >Comments?
> I believe that the single most important feature of the ternary operator is
> that it is ternary. That is, unlike an
r9142 and we are with the same problem.
Cheers
Alberto
Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote:
Test 5 of t/examples/japh.t is failing on MacOS Tiger.
Hi,
I have played with the timing of the two threads in that test case.
Could you update to revision 9142 or later and check whether it now works?
--- Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will
> happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23
> items on the checklist?
I am not the one to answer this, but I'm curious to know where you are
coming from. Is
Dear all,
I have submitted a bug report to "rt.cpan.org" and have been told to
forward a copy of the bug report on to this list. The bug report is
attached to this email.
FYI - the "use Test::MockObject" line causes the code to die because
Test::MockObject now depends on UNIVERSAL::can (the
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:43:20PM -0400, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> In order to help finish Parrot's HLL namespace support, I've compiled
> a list of features and information that I believe is necessary to
> support the target languages. I've done so after doing a survey of
> these languages. I may h
Apart from a user wanting to know which version of perl a module
works with, it's a general "quality" (not kwalitee;-) principle to
first specify, then test that the specification is met. So I would
say that specifying which versions of perl your module is meant to
work with should be done before
HaloO,
Luke wrote:
> > > ?? !! ain't bad either.
> >
> > It's definitely much better that sabotaging the
> > (highly useful) // operator
> > within (highly useful) ternaries.
>
> I guess the thing that I really think is nice is getting :: out of
> that role and into the type-only domain.
Right
Andy Lester wrote:
Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will
happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23 items
on the checklist?
I thought the same thing, until kwalitee turned competative. Now we have
a situation in which a large number
On 9/6/05, Thomas Sandlass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right. To make :: indicate type or meta was my primary concern.
Okay, now why don't you tell us about this new binary :: you're proposing.
Luke
H. The arity of a given multi might be 3 or 4 or 5.
If *only* there were a way to return a single value that was simultaneously
any of 3 or 4 or 5.
Oh, wait a minute...
Damian
Joshua Hoblitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 01:43:20PM -0400, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> > Namespace Capabilities
> [ snip ]
> > - Querying Information
> > It must be possible to get a list of both variables and subroutines,
> > sometimes together and sometimes se
Richard Clamp wrote:
On 6 Sep 2005, at 08:10, Adam Kennedy wrote:
So once you find out DBIx::Wango only passed 7 out of 23, it will go
into the author's average, and if he ever looks presumably the
competative spirit will kick in and he's fix some of the "problems"
That's assuming that e
"Tim Bunce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Having said all that, I don't think it's worth worrying about
inter-language issues until more fundamental namespace co-existance
issues are more settled.
Will a Python module clash with a Perl6 module of the same name?
(That way lies insanity so I certainl
Luke Palmer skribis 2005-09-06 13:28 (+):
> Well, we'd better document that pretty damn well then, and provide
> min_arity and max_arity, too.
Won't junctions do Array, then? I think &foo.arity.max would be very
intuitive, and likewise, for @&foo.arity { ... }
Juerd
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http://convolution.nl
On 9/3/05, Damian Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> H. The arity of a given multi might be 3 or 4 or 5.
>
> If *only* there were a way to return a single value that was simultaneously
> any of 3 or 4 or 5.
>
> Oh, wait a minute...
Well, we'd better document that pretty damn well then, and
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 05:10:40PM +1000, Adam Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> So once you find out DBIx::Wango only passed 7 out of 23, it will go
> into the author's average, and if he ever looks presumably the
> competative spirit will kick in and he's fix some of the "problems"
But wil
On 6 Sep 2005, at 08:10, Adam Kennedy wrote:
So once you find out DBIx::Wango only passed 7 out of 23, it will
go into the author's average, and if he ever looks presumably the
competative spirit will kick in and he's fix some of the "problems"
That's assuming that everyone is competitive
Ivan Tubert-Brohman wrote:
Sorry for my ignorance, but I had never even heard of this option. I
don't find any way of setting it via MakeMaker or Module::Build. Do I
have to edit META.yml by hand? Would it get overritten by 'make dist'?
The spec is here:
http://module-build.sourceforge.net/ME
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12:43AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> If it serves no purpose for you, ignore it and go on
> with life; as apposed to spending email list cycles on a
> CPANTS-is-bad-why-are-we-doing-this diatribe.
It's not as simple as "just ignore it" if th
Andy Lester wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12:43AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL
PROTECTED]) wrote:
If it serves no purpose for you, ignore it and go on
with life; as apposed to spending email list cycles on a
CPANTS-is-bad-why-are-we-doing-this diatribe.
It's not as simple as "jus
Andy Lester wrote:
Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will
happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23 items
on the checklist?
I don't have any problem with someone proposing or running these kinds of
automated test. It's helpful feedback
Adam Kennedy wrote:
missing_no_index:
Only the libraries (and .pod docs) in your dist should be indexed)
things in inc/ and t/ and examples/ etc should NOT be indexed. Thus,
there should be a no_index entry in the meta.yml for all of these
directories (if they have .pm files in them).
I like i
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Tests need to be written for PGE's glob.
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:07:02AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Why would they stop uploading? How would they, the new uploaders, even
> know about CPANTS? It's not like uploaded files automatically return a
> scathing email and an html response page that says your "mo
Andy Lester wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:07:02AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL
PROTECTED]) wrote:
Why would they stop uploading? How would they, the new uploaders, even
know about CPANTS? It's not like uploaded files automatically return a
scathing email and an html response page th
Tim Bunce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it would be worth mentioning if the namespace is hierarchical
> (nested) or flat (the delimiters are part of the name).
Good idea.
> Another issue is whether there's an underlying hierarchy that can be
> accessed (at leaf and/or non-leaf nodes) to do
HaloO,
Luke wrote:
> Okay, now why don't you tell us about this new binary :: you're proposing.
Well, not a new one. Just plain old foo::bar::blahh and 'my ::blubb $x'
with relaxed whitespace rules. The ternary ?? :: is a splinter in my
mind's eye because it is not a compile time or symbol lookup
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 13:28:24 +, Luke Palmer wrote:
This should still work:
> sub map (&code, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) {
> gather {
> my @args = @list.splice(0, &code.arity);
> take &code([EMAIL PROTECTED]);
> }
> }
multi sub foo (
For starters, in glossary.pod I'm failing to find definitions for
"destruction" and "finalisation". One is about cleanup actions on objects/
PMCs that need something actively cleaned up, rendering active objects down
to bare memory, and the other is about reclaiming bare memory for re-use.
For sta
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 04:57:30PM +0200, Thomas Sandlass wrote:
> There's yet another approach, to make ternary listfix:
>
> $val = $cond ?? "true" ?? "false";
So
^^ that one
doesn't do the same thing as
^^ that one?
I'd find that confusing in itse
On a related note:
Suppose I have a function with a non-obvious arity: I might, in a
desperate attempt to find billable hours, describe the arity as a trait:
sub sandwich($bread, $meat, $cheese, $condiment1, $qty1, ...)
does arity ({ 3 + 2 * any(1..Inf); });
That's easy enough for trivi
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Moin,
On Tuesday 06 September 2005 09:10, Adam Kennedy wrote:
> Andy Lester wrote:
> > Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will
> > happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23
> > items on the checklist?
>
> I t
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Thomas Klausner wrote:
has_perl_dependency:
In the META.yml (assuming it exists) there is a dependency on the
version of perl required to install the dist.
The goal of this is to make life a little easier on installers and CPAN
testers and a few other things.
Many many mod
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:22:23PM +0100, Jonathan Worthington wrote:
> "Tim Bunce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Having said all that, I don't think it's worth worrying about
> >inter-language issues until more fundamental namespace co-existance
> >issues are more settled.
> >
> >Will a Python mod
> Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote:
> >>Test 5 of t/examples/japh.t is failing on MacOS Tiger.
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have played with the timing of the two threads in that test case.
> > Could you update to revision 9142 or later and check whether it now
works?
> [ambs - Di 06. Sep 2005,
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Nattfodd wrote:
> thanks for the investigation, I'll look closely to it. It was reported
> to fail on AMD64 too but we did not try setting GMC_ALIGN to 16. Also be
> warned that I am very far from an alignment master, so I may have done
> things wrong in my small hack.
At f
Hi,
# Perl 5
my @array_of_references = \($foo, $bar, $baz);
print [EMAIL PROTECTED];# prints 3
print ${ $array_of_references[1] }; # prints $bar
# Perl 6
my @array = \($foo, $bar, $baz);
say [EMAIL PROTECTED];
# 3 (like Perl 5)?
# Or 1, making \(...) s
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:15:26AM -0700, Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote:
> Too bad. As I reached the end of intuitive bug fixing, I am now skipping
> 'examples/japh/japh13.pasm' in 't/examples/japh.t'.
>
> Perhaps some MacOS X user can provide more insight.
Is it just OS X?
Or do all big end
Hey all,
I recently added Package and Module into the MetaModel (2.0) so that
Package is an Object
Module is a Package
Class is a Module
as mentioned here
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/4599.
Currently Packages have names and Modules add version and auth
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 09:12 -0400, Christopher H. Laco wrote:
> I really don't get why the people (not specifically you) who don't agree
> with, don't care for, don't care about CPANTs or more CPANTS tests spend
> all this effort going off on why it's such a bad thing and why it
> shouldn't be
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:15:26AM -0700, Bernhard Schmalhofer via RT wrote:
>
> > Too bad. As I reached the end of intuitive bug fixing, I am now skipping
> > 'examples/japh/japh13.pasm' in 't/examples/japh.t'.
> >
> > Perhaps some MacOS X user can pr
Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2005-09-06 19:46 (+0200):
> If \(...) still constructs a list of references, are the following
> assumptions correct?
IIRC, the RHS of \ is in scalar context, and the comma in scalar context
(the parens are just for precedence), creates an arrayref.
Which is interesting
Hi,
Juerd wrote:
> Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2005-09-06 19:46 (+0200):
>> If \(...) still constructs a list of references, are the following
>> assumptions correct?
>
> IIRC, the RHS of \ is in scalar context, and the comma in scalar
> context (the parens are just for precedence), creates an arra
--- Andy Lester wrote:
> But will the author actually care? Will the author even know this
> exists? Are you going to send email to Bob and say "Hey, Bob, you only
> passed 7 of 23 things"? What's Bob going to say in return? I see a
> couple of options:
Ah, now I see where you are coming from.
Hi!
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 05:31:37AM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote:
> flame wars. Best, at least for now, is to simply publish some
> kwalitee metrics as an optional aid to enthusiastic CPAN authors.
> If they prove good and useful, they will naturally become better known.
Some of my recent thoug
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Moin,
here is another idea for a metric:
Modules/pragmas/etc use'd by Heap cnt
in code:
AutoLoader 1
Heap does use AutoLoader, but it never defined any methods to autoload, so
this is totally in vain.
(I did write a new version of Heap, offered i
Luke wrote:
> Well, we'd better document that [junctive arity values] pretty damn
> well then, and provide min_arity and max_arity, too.
Unnecessary. The C and C builtins should be overloaded to Just
Work on junctive values:
if min &code.arity < 2 {...}
> This is one of those places where
--- Thomas Klausner wrote:
> *) CPANTS is not describing the one and only way how to write Perl / pack
> distribution. It's more of an online mutliplayer game where people submit
> their dists which than fight against my evil metrics.
The multiplayer game you describe is subject to the testing
phe
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 05:31 +1000, Andrew Savige wrote:
> I feel pushily promoting kwalitee metrics will do more harm than good.
> And I agree with chromatic that officially endorsing any particular
> kwalitee metric is a mistake that is likely to cause unproductive
> flame wars.
It's not that en
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