On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 08:43:10PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 12:38:57PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > Surely you can do better than that for counterintuitive? :-)
> >
> > 4 < (0 | 6) < 2
>
> pugs> ? 4 < (0 | 6) < 2
> (#t|#f)
>
> Why is it so? Because:
>
>
(Again, this is really a language question. Sorry for the hopefully
digestible use of internal symbols.)
Pugs currently has two numeric types:
VInt - Arbitary sized integer
VNum - Double-precision point number with NaN and Inf support.
Division is done like this:
pugs> ? 1 / 3
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 01:52:05PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > #t and (0 | 6) < 2 # reduction in boolean context(!)
>
> Why is it allowed to do this?
Because "and" forces boolean context to determine whether it
short-circuits or not. However, I should've make it clear t
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 10:04:02PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 01:52:05PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > > #t and (0 | 6) < 2 # reduction in boolean context(!)
> >
> > Why is it allowed to do this?
>
> Because "and" forces boolean context to determ
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:08:32PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 04:44:41AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: > * What is the value of a reference in any of the scalar contexts?
: >
: > Currently I'm blindly dereferencing it.
:
: It seems that I got four out of five correc
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 04:30:58PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: So it turns out that A03 says that semicolons within "brackets" defaults
: to a list-of-list builder. Curiously, it is missing from S03, and the
: behaviour is not documented in detail.
That's because it's still a bit hand-wavey.
:
This probably goes against everything a shell based platform wants, but
would it be possible to give the program a sub-like signature?
I ask this after another painful session of forgetting how things
work, reading Getopt::Long's documentation.
signature (
Rule $pattern,
bool
Has there been any final decision as to what to call test names? There
was quite a bit of discussion, but I don't recall the resolution.
Cheers,
Ovid
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Juerd wrote:
This probably goes against everything a shell based platform wants, but
would it be possible to give the program a sub-like signature?
I ask this after another painful session of forgetting how things
work, reading Getopt::Long's documentation.
signature (
Rule $pattern,
Hi,
Juerd wrote:
> This probably goes against everything a shell based platform wants,
> but would it be possible to give the program a sub-like signature?
I like that idea very much, but...
> signature (
> Rule $pattern,
> bool +$help:short('h'),
> Int +$verbos
Matthew Walton skribis 2005-02-05 16:20 (+):
> Would this actually be any better than the interface provided by
> Getopt::Long?
I'm not sure if it's *better*. I personally find it easier to read and
much easier to remember.
It would reduce the number of mini languages needed. Passing argumen
Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2005-02-05 17:19 (+0100):
> ...this seems a bit ugly to me.
The "signature" part, or the signature itself? Because you'll encounter
lists like this all over Perl 6 code anyway...
> What do you say about that:
> use Getopt::Auto;
> run &main;
> sub main (
>Rule $pa
Hi,
Juerd wrote:
> Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2005-02-05 17:19 (+0100):
>> ...this seems a bit ugly to me.
>
> The "signature" part, or the signature itself? Because you'll
> encounter lists like this all over Perl 6 code anyway...
I refered to the way the signature is specified, not the signatur
This is what you get when you set Module::Packaged against the Phalanx
100. So right now FreeBSD packages the most of Phalanx, and it's kinda
interesting to see the version numbers.
http://astray.com/tmp/phalanx.html
Script:
http://unixbeard.net/acme-svn/Module-Packaged/phalanx.pl
(pass in
Just had a look at the following test failures on Windows.
t\pmc\nci.t 2 512562 3.57% 3 46
I have added the test output below. It may not look that way at first
sight, but the failures are a result of missing exported symbols in
libnci_test.dll (which remembers me of my
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 06:52:49AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote:
> Hmm, I believe I said somewhere that references are no longer always true
> in Perl 6. So perhaps it's not an exception after all. We're trying
> to get rid of as many useless exceptions as possible in Perl 6, after all.
Yes, the rele
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 06:56:00AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote:
> Yes, unless it returns [[1],[2],[3]] instead. (What you have written is
> context dependent.)
Yup. Thanks!
Oh, by the way, may I use the infix: operator for creating none()
junctions? I was writing pretty-printing code for junction
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:39:26PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 10:04:02PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 01:52:05PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > > > #t and (0 | 6) < 2 # reduction in boolean
> > > > context(!)
> > >
> >
Sorry for the inconvenience, but please drop the original patch, and
use this one instead.
This patch adds all missing export symbols to libnci_test.dll that are
needed by t/pmc/nci.t.
t\pmc\nciok
All tests successful.
Files=1, Tests=56, 18 wallclock secs ( 0.00 cusr + 0.00 csys = 0.00 CPU)
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 02:30:21AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:39:26PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 10:04:02PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> > > On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 01:52:05PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > > > > #t and
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 06:35:55PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> If junctions are sets, and so a|b is identical to b|a, then isn't it wrong
> for any implementation of junctions to use any short-circuiting logic in
> its implementation, because if it did, then any active data (such as tied
> thing
On Feb 5, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Ovid wrote:
Has there been any final decision as to what to call test names? There
was quite a bit of discussion, but I don't recall the resolution.
Nothing has been decided. I just don't like "name".
xoa
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> "NC" == Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
NC> If junctions are sets, and so a|b is identical to b|a, then isn't
NC> it wrong for any implementation of junctions to use any
NC> short-circuiting logic in its implementation, because if it did,
NC> then any active data (such as
Ingo Blechschmidt skribis 2005-02-05 18:52 (+0100):
> signature(...) looks like a function/sub call, while it isn't one
> really.
Macros can do this to a language :)
macro signature is parsed /;/ { ... }
> Maybe it should be possible to create Signature objects without
> creating a sub
That
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 02:08:32PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> Here's another quick question: In S03 zip() is used like this:
>
> for zip(@names, @codes) -> $name, $zip { ... }
>
> But in S04 it becomes:
>
> for zip(@a;@b) -> $a, $b { ... }
>
> Why semicolon? Is it a special form?
(I've just finished the pretty printing part in Pugs, so I'll use actual
command line transcripts below. The leading "?" does not denote boolean
context -- it's just telling pugs to do a big-step evaluation. Also,
boolean literals are written in their Scheme forms.)
In S06, the meaning of chaini
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 08:33:25PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
> With the note that "b" must be evaluated at most once. However, if
> taken literally, it gives this rather weird result:
>
> pugs> ? 2 < (0 | 3) < 4
> (#t|#t)
Surely you can do better than that for counterintuitive? :-)
4
On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 12:38:57PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Surely you can do better than that for counterintuitive? :-)
>
> 4 < (0 | 6) < 2
pugs> ? 4 < (0 | 6) < 2
(#t|#f)
Why is it so? Because:
4 < (0 | 6) and (0 | 6) < 2
(4 < 0 | 4 < 6) and (0 | 6) < 2 # local
On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 19:32 +0100, Ron Blaschke wrote:
> This patch adds all missing export symbols to libnci_test.dll that are
> needed by t/pmc/nci.t.
Why not generate the .def file instead of hoping that people add the
correct symbols? Here's a patch that seems to do the trick for me
(though
On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 12:58 -0800, chromatic wrote:
> Why not generate the .def file instead of hoping that people add the
> correct symbols? Here's a patch that seems to do the trick for me
> (though not running Windows, I can't really test if the defines are all
> correct).
Actually it doesn't
chromatic wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 12:58 -0800, chromatic wrote:
>> Why not generate the .def file instead of hoping that people add the
>> correct symbols? Here's a patch that seems to do the trick for me
>> (though not running Windows, I can't really test if the defines are all
>> correct
Stevan Little wrote:
I sent Schwern a patch to change 'names' to 'description', but then Andy
brought up the idea of 'labels'. At the time, Schwern said it was 'in
the pipeline', but I expect its actually been moved out since.
Personally, I view them as 'descriptions' since thats what I usually
Stevan Little wrote:
I sent Schwern a patch to change 'names' to 'description', but then Andy
brought up the idea of 'labels'. At the time, Schwern said it was 'in
the pipeline', but I expect its actually been moved out since.
Personally, I view them as 'descriptions' since thats what I usually
Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is what you get when you set Module::Packaged against the Phalanx
> 100. So right now FreeBSD packages the most of Phalanx, and it's kinda
> interesting to see the version numbers.
>
> There might be bugs,
Definitely. I'm quite sure Getopt::Long is
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:12:20 -0500, Stevan Little
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I sent Schwern a patch to change 'names' to 'description', but then
> Andy brought up the idea of 'labels'. At the time, Schwern said it was
> 'in the pipeline', but I expect its actually been moved out since.
>
> Person
On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 15:23 -0500, Shawn Boyette wrote:
> Also, is anything ever *done* with these chunks of text? When I first
> started using Test::More, I expected that I'd get that text when a
> test failed instead of just a line number.
Run the test with perl -Mblib instead of make test, ./B
--- chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alternately, encourage Andy to adopt some patch to
> Test::Harness::Straps
> that enables collecting that diagnostic information somehow and use
> an alternate harness that displays test comments.
Let me second that one! Of course, Andy's already made it
On Sat, 2005-02-05 at 16:39 -0800, Ovid wrote:
> Let me second that one! Of course, Andy's already made it clear that
> he doesn't have a lot of time, but I still don't mind kicking 'im. :)
I think the right approach is to patch T::H::S to collect diagnostic
information and make it available. I
On Feb 5, 2005, at 6:47 PM, chromatic wrote:
I think the right approach is to patch T::H::S to collect diagnostic
information and make it available. It's easy enough to grab it via
IPC::Open3 elsewhere and pass a combined STDOUT/STDERR filehandle to
analyze_fh().
Agreed. My goal is to have Test::Ha
I'll tackle this one next.
Ron
Hi Juerd,
[Quoting Juerd, on February 5 2005, 16:57, in "CLI signature?"]
> signature (
> Rule $pattern,
> bool +$help:short('h'),
> Int +$verbose :short('v'),
> Str [EMAIL PROTECTED] = <->
> );
The actual parsing still has to happen 'somewhere else'
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:09:03 +0800, Autrijus Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
...
Let's take the first one first, because it is what S06 seems to imply,
although it is against Perl5's tie() intuition:
my @carton is Scalar; # assuming this is the default
Now @carton implements the
Alexey Trofimenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>my $var = "test";
>my @arr := $var;
> error? or maybe it would be the same weirdness, like in former example? or
> maybe it's a ["test"]?
The := operator uses the same rules as parameter passing. So, what do
you think this does?
sub foo(@
Will Coleda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=33916
> According to this (which in turn was based on Leo's email to the list), we
> were shooting for a release on Monday.
Well, not exactly. I'm on the German Perl Workshop next week. Release
will be after th
Jeff Horwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the attached patch adds a check in Parrot_locate_runtime_file so it
> returns absolute paths as is. it handles win32 paths (and drive letters)
> as well.
Thanks, applied.
> ... hopefully i chose the most logical place for this -- i didn't
> think it bel
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Jonathan Worthington wrote:
> Ron Blaschke wrote:
> Failed TestStat Wstat
I sent Schwern a patch to change 'names' to 'description', but then
Andy brought up the idea of 'labels'. At the time, Schwern said it was
'in the pipeline', but I expect its actually been moved out since.
Personally, I view them as 'descriptions' since thats what I usually
write. But 'labels'
If this discussion means the voting has re-opened, I'm in favor of 'label'
as it implies an identifying description, but also connotes something brief.
David
Stevan Little wrote:
I sent Schwern a patch to change 'names' to 'description', but then Andy
brought up the idea of 'labels'. At the time
Johan Vromans sent the following bits through the ether:
> Definitely. I'm quite sure Getopt::Long is in _every_ distribution...
Of course, this only notices individually-packaged CPAN dists (ignores
the core).
Leon
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