Phalanx at YAPC::NA::2005

2005-06-02 Thread James E Keenan
On Monday, June 27, Marc Prewitt and I will be making a presentation at YAPC::NA::2005 in Toronto entitled "Phalanx from the Trenches: A Local Perl Users Group's Experience." While the main focus of our talk will be on our experience with the Perl Seminar NY Phalanx contingent

Re: Phalanx 100 list

2005-06-02 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 06:57:24PM +0200, David Landgren wrote: > >My understanding is that inclusion on the Phalanx 100 doesn't constitute > >any sort of endorsement of the modules. It's hopefully a statement that > >the module is widely used, but not a judgme

Re: Phalanx 100 list

2005-06-02 Thread Andy Lester
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 06:48:30AM -0400, Dave Paris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > It was brought to my attention that Crypt::DES is included in the > Phalanx 100 list. While I'm flattered, I think this should be replaced > by a better symmetrical crypto module like Crypt::Rijnd

Re: Phalanx 100 list

2005-06-02 Thread David Landgren
Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: My understanding is that inclusion on the Phalanx 100 doesn't constitute any sort of endorsement of the modules. It's hopefully a statement that the module is widely used, but not a judgment on whether it ought to be. They are not endorsed, but they are

Re: Phalanx 100 list

2005-06-02 Thread Kevin Scaldeferri
On Jun 2, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Dave Paris wrote: Greetings, It was brought to my attention that Crypt::DES is included in the Phalanx 100 list. While I'm flattered, I think this should be replaced by a better symmetrical crypto module like Crypt::Rijndael. The reasoning is simple.

Phalanx 100 list

2005-06-02 Thread Dave Paris
Greetings, It was brought to my attention that Crypt::DES is included in the Phalanx 100 list. While I'm flattered, I think this should be replaced by a better symmetrical crypto module like Crypt::Rijndael. The reasoning is simple. Crypt::DES is terribly weak and slow by comparison.

Re: Phalanx kwiki

2005-04-12 Thread James E Keenan
Walter Goulet wrote: Looks like the phalanx kwiki as well as the phalanx subversion repository is down. Any ETA on when it will be back up? I can get the repository but not the kwiki. But, IIRC, the kwiki is hosted by Ingy and is physically independent of the repository, which I believe is

Phalanx kwiki

2005-04-11 Thread Walter Goulet
Looks like the phalanx kwiki as well as the phalanx subversion repository is down. Any ETA on when it will be back up? thanks, -walt smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Phalanx

2005-03-31 Thread Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni
Selon Gabor Szabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > So I guess my question is, what exactly am I supposed to do to improve > > test coverage? Am I supposed to modify the existing scripts so they > > execute more functions exported by the module? Are any of the other > > modules currently being tested not u

Re: Phalanx

2005-03-30 Thread Walter Goulet
Gabor Szabo wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:45:23 -0600, Walter Goulet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Ok, so I've been trying to get started with testing Net-SSLeay for the Phalanx project. Now the problem I've been having is getting my arms around how to improve the cover

Re: Phalanx

2005-03-30 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:45:23 -0600, Walter Goulet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, so I've been trying to get started with testing Net-SSLeay for the > Phalanx project. Now the problem I've been having is getting my arms > around how to improve the coverage

Re: Phalanx

2005-03-30 Thread Andy Lester
et started with testing Net-SSLeay for the Phalanx project. Now the problem I've been having is getting my arms around how to improve the coverage of the tests included with that module. It doesn't look like this module uses the t/ framework, rather a series of scripts in a given su

Phalanx

2005-03-30 Thread Walter Goulet
Hi, Ok, so I've been trying to get started with testing Net-SSLeay for the Phalanx project. Now the problem I've been having is getting my arms around how to improve the coverage of the tests included with that module. It doesn't look like this module uses the t/ framework, rath

Re: Interested in joining Phalanx

2005-03-16 Thread Andy Lester
I've been lurking perl.com for years and have always wanted to contribute. Seems like the Phalanx project is a good place to start. I'm particularly interested in testing the Net_SSLeay.pm module. Take a look at the Kwiki on the Hoplites wanted page. You can be the leader of the team i

Interested in joining Phalanx

2005-03-16 Thread Walter Goulet
Hi, I've been lurking perl.com for years and have always wanted to contribute. Seems like the Phalanx project is a good place to start. I'm particularly interested in testing the Net_SSLeay.pm module. Any tips on getting started or any 'hoplites' out there who need help with

Re: Test::* Modules, Devel::Cover, Phalanx [was Test::Output 0.05]

2005-03-04 Thread Andy Lester
At least as originally proposed by project leader Andy Lester, Phalanx was supposed to focus on *non-core*, Not exactly. I just figured it's easier for teams to submit tests back to individual authors than back to Perl itself. Also, those patches are more likely to get out into the mains

Test::* Modules, Devel::Cover, Phalanx [was Test::Output 0.05]

2005-03-04 Thread James E Keenan
Ofer Nave wrote: Shawn Sorichetti wrote: Test::Output 0.05 has been released. Renaming thread since only the OP referred to Test::Output. It occurs to me that the Test::* and ExtUtils::* modules should be the first stop for the Phalanx project. :) At least as originally proposed by project

Re: Module::Packaged vs Phalanx 100

2005-02-06 Thread Leon Brocard
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: > http://astray.com/tmp/phalanx.html This now mentions core modules and notices Mandrake contrib (Module-Packaged 0.79 just hit CPAN), so Mandrake jumps from 28 -> 87. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.co

Re: Module::Packaged vs Phalanx 100

2005-02-05 Thread Johan Vromans
Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is what you get when you set Module::Packaged against the Phalanx > 100. So right now FreeBSD packages the most of Phalanx, and it's kinda > interesting to see the version numbers. > > There might be bugs, Definitely. I

Re: Module::Packaged vs Phalanx 100

2005-02-05 Thread Leon Brocard
Johan Vromans sent the following bits through the ether: > Definitely. I'm quite sure Getopt::Long is in _every_ distribution... Of course, this only notices individually-packaged CPAN dists (ignores the core). Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.

Module::Packaged vs Phalanx 100

2005-02-05 Thread Leon Brocard
This is what you get when you set Module::Packaged against the Phalanx 100. So right now FreeBSD packages the most of Phalanx, and it's kinda interesting to see the version numbers. http://astray.com/tmp/phalanx.html Script: http://unixbeard.net/acme-svn/Module-Packaged/phalanx.pl

Re: Phalanx matchups

2005-02-03 Thread Comrade Burnout
x off' stages? I can't say that I'm clear on the Phalanx 100. I get that it's a nice list of modules and all ... but I don't see any assignments or anything associated with them -- most likely because there aren't any. --brian

Re: Phalanx matchups

2005-02-03 Thread Robert
"Andy Lester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'll put my hat in the ring, first: I don't want to run a module team, > but I'm glad to join one. > > xoxo, > Andy Ditto for me. I am a Perl neophyte but I think this would be a great way to learn so things about testi

Phalanx matchups

2005-02-02 Thread Andy Lester
I've started a new page on the Kwiki to replace the HereToHelp page: http://phalanx.kwiki.org/index.cgi?TeamsWanted Here's where I hope people looking for teams, or teams looking for people, can get together and join forces. I'll put my hat in the ring, first: I don't want to run a module team

Re: Phalanx article now live

2005-01-24 Thread Robert
"Andy Lester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > There's a new Phalanx article on perl.com: > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/01/13/phalanx.html > > Let's hope we get an influx of Hoplites! > > xoxo, > Andy > Hey Andy,

Phalanx article now live

2005-01-21 Thread Andy Lester
There's a new Phalanx article on perl.com: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/01/13/phalanx.html Let's hope we get an influx of Hoplites! xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Test run of the new Phalanx 100

2005-01-19 Thread Andy Lester
Msql-Mysql-modules This is just the old distro that contained DBD::mysql and DBD::msql. I don't think the latter is maintained, and DBD::mysql is already on the list. OK, updated. Thanks. I really wish this were more exact. I have to wonder if this bot traffic is totally skewing everything. :

Re: Test run of the new Phalanx 100

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, Andy Lester wrote: Msql-Mysql-modules This is just the old distro that contained DBD::mysql and DBD::msql. I don't think the latter is maintained, and DBD::mysql is already on the list. -dave /*=== VegGuide.Org

Test run of the new Phalanx 100

2005-01-17 Thread Andy Lester
I've rerun the numbers on Phalanx. Following are the latest/greatest Phalanx 100. A bunch of Test-* distros get their own special top-of-the-list subset. If there's any modules missing that you think belong on the list, let me know. Anything that we specifically should NOT do, l

Re: Phalanx update please!

2004-12-28 Thread Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni
Selon Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello, > > Here are the final lists of the modules dependencies. This time I grouped > the modules by their respective distribution name. I forgot to say that these lists were made by reading the META.yml when available, or by parsing Makefi

Re: Phalanx update please!

2004-12-27 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 12:33:36AM +0100, S?bastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote: > Oops! I didn't include the list on my first reply. > But on the other hand I have completed the analysis. So here is the > final list: > http://rafb.net/paste/results/p4hveb43.html I haven't got any time in the

Re: Phalanx update please!

2004-12-26 Thread Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni
rticle for perl.com on the Phalanx project. Those of you involved, can you please give a summary of what you've done? Or better yet, give me a summary and update the wiki as well? Don't know if you saw Maddingue's update of his analysis of how many modules depend on module X. Here is

Re: Phalanx update please!

2004-12-26 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:04:15PM -0600, Andy Lester wrote: > I'm working on an article for perl.com on the Phalanx project. Those of > you involved, can you please give a summary of what you've done? Or > better yet, give me a summary and update the wiki as well? Do

Phalanx update please!

2004-12-25 Thread Andy Lester
I'm working on an article for perl.com on the Phalanx project. Those of you involved, can you please give a summary of what you've done? Or better yet, give me a summary and update the wiki as well? I want to be able to say "SouthFlorida PM has improved the coverage of Wango::Ta

Help update the Phalanx 100

2004-12-20 Thread Andy Lester
=head1 Announcing the Do-It-Yourself Phalanx 100! The Phalanx 100 is a list of the "top 100" modules on CPAN, and by extension, those that should have the most attention paid to them by the Phalanx project. The first time I generated the P100 was over a year ago, and things are old

Help redo the Phalanx 100

2004-12-20 Thread Andy Lester
=head1 Announcing the Do-It-Yourself Phalanx 100! The Phalanx 100 is a list of the "top 100" modules on CPAN, and by extension, those that should have the most attention paid to them by the Phalanx project. The first time I generated the P100 was over a year ago, and things are old

Re: Phalanx update

2004-12-05 Thread Andy Lester
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 02:27:47AM +, Mark Stosberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 2004-12-02, Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've reorganized all the trees in http://svn.perl.org/phalanx. A > > description of how things should be is at >

Re: Phalanx update

2004-12-05 Thread Mark Stosberg
On 2004-12-02, Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've reorganized all the trees in http://svn.perl.org/phalanx. A > description of how things should be is at > http://svn.perl.org/phalanx/structure.pod. I think I missed something. This clearly has something to do with

Phalanx repositories

2004-10-30 Thread Andy Lester
I'm now the point man for contacts on getting into the Phalanx repositories. Also, I'm going to be reorganizing the existing repositories a bit, just to help standardize. SouthFlorida, have you done anything on Error or URI yet? If not, I'm going to restart them. Any other h

Re: Phalanx Project and Core Modules

2004-08-30 Thread Andy Lester
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 01:15:32PM -0700, Jim Keenan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On this page at the Phalanx web site > (http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/distros.html), it is > stated, "[the Phalanx 100] should NOT contain any > modules that are part of core Perl. Those will be > ha

Phalanx Project and Core Modules

2004-08-30 Thread Jim Keenan
On this page at the Phalanx web site (http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/distros.html), it is stated, "[the Phalanx 100] should NOT contain any modules that are part of core Perl. Those will be handled in a different phase of the project." Can you elaborate as to how the core modules will

Wanted: Someone to write a Phalanx blurb

2004-08-23 Thread Andy Lester
I'd like a blurb that I/we can post to various places about the push to get Perl Mongers groups adopting modules as part of Phalanx. SouthFlorida.pm is working on a couple, and Chicago.pm is going to work on HTML::Tree at our next meeting. If someone would be so kind as to volunteer, so I

Re: Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-08 Thread Leon Brocard
Steve Peters sent the following bits through the ether: > I've got Bundle::Phalanx100 out there right now. Once the list is > updated, I can get the module updated. And a link to this module, then ;-) -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot

Re: Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-08 Thread Steve Peters
On Sunday 08 August 2004 10:25 am, Leon Brocard wrote: > Andy Lester sent the following bits through the ether: > > I'll be redoing the Phalanx 100 this week. I'm hoping to get FTP logs > > from pair.com and from cpan.org. If anyone else has FTP logs they can > >

Re: Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-08 Thread Leon Brocard
Andy Lester sent the following bits through the ether: > I'll be redoing the Phalanx 100 this week. I'm hoping to get FTP logs > from pair.com and from cpan.org. If anyone else has FTP logs they can > submit to me, I'd love to have 'em. Please make the list ava

Re: Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-08 Thread Robert Spier
> Last year, I got different logs from Graham and Pair. Any other > suggestions since they're apparently the same now? Mirror-owners I > should talk to? You could ask Graham for the search.cpan.org logs. Those are potentially interesting. -R

Re: Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-08 Thread Robert Spier
> I'll be redoing the Phalanx 100 this week. I'm hoping to get FTP logs > from pair.com and from cpan.org. If anyone else has FTP logs they can > submit to me, I'd love to have 'em. $ host cpan.org cpan.org has address 66.39.76.93 $ host cpan.pair.com cpan.pair.com has address 66.39.76.93

Re: Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-07 Thread Andy Lester
$ host cpan.org cpan.org has address 66.39.76.93 $ host cpan.pair.com cpan.pair.com has address 66.39.76.93 Last year, I got different logs from Graham and Pair. Any other suggestions since they're apparently the same now? Mirror-owners I should talk to? xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED

Redoing the Phalanx 100

2004-08-07 Thread Andy Lester
I'll be redoing the Phalanx 100 this week. I'm hoping to get FTP logs from pair.com and from cpan.org. If anyone else has FTP logs they can submit to me, I'd love to have 'em. xoa -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Phalanx coverage dumping

2004-08-06 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 11:51:09PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > It'd be swell if someone generated Devel::Cover dumps for the > Phalanx 100. Like http://pjcj.sytes.net/cpancover/ but for > http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/distros.html. It would be nice if anyone doing the Class::DBI one

Phalanx coverage dumping

2004-08-05 Thread Andy Lester
if someone generated Devel::Cover dumps for the Phalanx 100. Like http://pjcj.sytes.net/cpancover/ but for http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/distros.html. I also wonder if the 100 would be different now than when I created it a year ago. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => [EMAIL PROTECTED] => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-16 Thread Geoffrey Young
>> I just ran into a similar "problem" in POE::Driver::SysRW. For >> portability I have a couple lines similar to >> >> $! = 0 if $! == EAGAIN or $! == EWOULDBLOCK; >> >> EAGAIN and EWOULDBLOCK are identical on most systems. In fact, one is >> usually defined in terms of the other. They dif

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-15 Thread James Mastros
Rocco Caputo wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:09:38PM +0200, James Mastros wrote: All unreachable code is either people misusing the term "unreachable", a bug in Devel::Cover, or dead code that should be removed. Here's a puzzle, then. I just ran into a similar "problem" in POE::Driver::SysRW. F

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-14 Thread Rocco Caputo
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:09:38PM +0200, James Mastros wrote: > > All unreachable code is either people misusing the term "unreachable", a > bug in Devel::Cover, or dead code that should be removed. Here's a puzzle, then. I just ran into a similar "problem" in POE::Driver::SysRW. For portabil

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-12 Thread stevan little
On Jul 11, 2004, at 4:09 PM, James Mastros wrote: package Foo; sub new { my $class=shift; $class=ref($class)||$class; bless [], $class; } eval { Foo::new(); } is($!, "new dies when called as a function"); Actually this doesn't die, it does even worse, given this code: package Foo; sub new {

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-11 Thread James Mastros
foo() by itself, and presumably Devel::Cover never notices the existence of the || in the source. Is that a bug, then? Or is it something else? And how should I notate that, keeping in mind the goals of Phalanx, so that it's clearly visible that no test of that condition's failure can

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread David Wheeler
On Jul 11, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: I document private code like this: =begin private put your normal POD here =end private perldoc won't show the POD but someone reading through the code (and thus needing to know about private functions) will see it. And POD is very readable i

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread Andy Lester
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 03:07:22PM -0400, stevan little ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I think that reg-ex is too loose (and incorrect, but I know you really > meant /^[A-Z]+$/). I would rather see it check for all the documented > magic methods rather than a catch all for UPPERCASE names. Even tho

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread Andy Lester
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 12:26:44PM -0400, stevan little ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > As for POD, in most cases, I agree with you, but to say you should have > 100% POD coverage brings up several other questions, such as; Should I > document private methods? What about modules which are meant to b

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread stevan little
Micheal, On Jul 11, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 12:26:44PM -0400, stevan little wrote: As for POD, in most cases, I agree with you, but to say you should have 100% POD coverage brings up several other questions, such as; Should I document private methods? IMP

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread Pete Krawczyk
Subject: Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd) From: stevan little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:26:44 -0400 }As for POD, in most cases, I agree with you, but to say you should have }100% POD coverage brings up several other questions, such a

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 12:26:44PM -0400, stevan little wrote: > As for POD, in most cases, I agree with you, but to say you should have > 100% POD coverage brings up several other questions, such as; Should I > document private methods? IMPO yes, but Pod::Coverage (and thus Devel::Cover) will

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-11 Thread stevan little
On Jul 9, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Andy Lester wrote: Don't be mesmerized by 100% coverage. Agreed 100% here. However, I stand by my original statement that you CAN have 100% coverage on subroutines and pod. Any disagreement on that one? I agree with having 100% on subroutines, and I would add that 100

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-10 Thread Danny R. Faught
Michael G Schwern wrote: Test coverage is a useful *heuristic* for test effectiveness. Like all heuristics if you push it too far it falls apart. Get as close to 100% as is useful and don't worry about the rest. Indeed. Brian Marick wrote a great paper on this topic - "How to Misuse Code Covera

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-09 Thread Michael Carman
On 7/9/2004 4:57 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 12:10:52PM -0500, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > >> Consider [code with unreachable path] Devel::Cover will always see that as >> a partial test, and never a full test: Is that a bug, then? That's for you to decide. The lack of coverage s

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-09 Thread Paul Johnson
/perl/URI-orig/blib-lib-URI-pm--condition.html#L57 > > I don't like that code anyway, since it basically boils down to > $impclass = $impclass = 'URI::_foreign'; > assuming $impclass and $scheme aren't set. > > Is that a bug, then? Or is it someth

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 06:31:09PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Looking through a coverage analysis I just ran, here's some more idioms > that trip up 100% coverage. > > my $foo = $bar || ''; > > my $foo = $bar || 1; > > $this || return; > > Basically anything of the "$f

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 05:06:09PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > > There's a whole set of these sort of problems. Looking through a coverage analysis I just ran, here's some more idioms that trip up 100% coverage. my $foo = $bar || ''; my $foo = $bar || 1; $this || retu

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-09 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* Pete Krawczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-07-09T13:10:52] > > Devel::Cover will always see that as a partial test, and never a full > test: > [ ... ] > Is that a bug, then? Or is it something else? And how should I notate > that, keeping in mind the goals of Phala

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-09 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 12:10:52PM -0500, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > Consider the following code: > > $impclass ||= implementor($scheme) || > do { > require URI::_foreign; > $impclass = 'URI::_foreign'; > }; > > That's in URI.pm, lines 54-58. > > Devel::Co

Re: Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible? (fwd)

2004-07-09 Thread Andy Lester
> There's a whole set of these sort of problems. > > sub new { > my $proto = shift; > my $class = ref $proto || $proto; In this case, we probably don't want that ANYWAY. That's what I did when I was through Data::Page for Leon Brocard, and it's now at 100% coverage, across the

Phalanx: What if full coverage isn't possible?

2004-07-09 Thread Pete Krawczyk
ass = 'URI::_foreign'; assuming $impclass and $scheme aren't set. Is that a bug, then? Or is it something else? And how should I notate that, keeping in mind the goals of Phalanx, so that it's clearly visible that no test of that condition's failure can truly take

Re: My Phalanx lightning talk

2004-06-19 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Andy Lester wrote: > I'm thinking that maybe instead of people picking a module to do, and > then working on it, which has so far not worked at all, that we should > hold up a module (or a handful of them) and say "OK, this is what we're > working on". It certainly seemed to

Re: My Phalanx lightning talk

2004-06-10 Thread stevan little
Andy, I agree, it an intimidating idea to think that you have to take on responsibility for a whole module. I enjoyed working on the DBI tests, and when I next have some spare time between projects, I plan on helping again, either with DBI or some other module. You should really encourage that

Re: My Phalanx lightning talk

2004-06-10 Thread Andy Lester
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 03:35:23PM +0100, Nicholas Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Well, how people acn help, particularly how they can help even if they don't > think they have time to be *the* one true hoplite for a project. I'm thinking that maybe instead of people picking a module to do, an

Re: My Phalanx lightning talk

2004-06-10 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 09:27:09AM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > So I'm giving an LT on Phalanx next week in Buffalo. Anything in > particular y'all think I should mention? > A brief discussion of Phalanx, a project devoted to increasing the > testing coverage of Perl and

My Phalanx lightning talk

2004-06-10 Thread Andy Lester
So I'm giving an LT on Phalanx next week in Buffalo. Anything in particular y'all think I should mention? xoxo, Andy To: Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Your Lightning Talk Your proposal for a Lightning Talk at the 2004 YAPC::America::North has been accepted.

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-09 Thread stevan little
On May 9, 2004, at 6:48 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 03:16:45PM -0400, stevan little wrote: On May 8, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: Just some (and thanks for that). But there are still a few with custom ok() subs and some others using the plain Test module. Tim. Make that 2 le

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-09 Thread Tim Bunce
On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 03:16:45PM -0400, stevan little wrote: > On May 8, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: > > > >Just some (and thanks for that). But there are still a few with > >custom ok() subs and some others using the plain Test module. > > > >Tim. > > Make that 2 less tests doing the fun

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-08 Thread stevan little
On May 8, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: Just some (and thanks for that). But there are still a few with custom ok() subs and some others using the plain Test module. Tim. Make that 2 less tests doing the funky stuff, this is actually going a lot faster than I thought it was going to. I hope

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-08 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 05:14:39PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 10:31:49PM +0100, Tim Bunce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Here's what I'd like to see done soonish: > > > > 1. Convert all exisiting test files to Test::More > > 2. Parts of t/10examp.t should be broken out t

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread stevan little
Andy, Devel::Cover and I are already very well aquainted, its one of my favorite tools actually. steve On May 7, 2004, at 6:14 PM, Andy Lester wrote: On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 10:31:49PM +0100, Tim Bunce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Here's what I'd like to see done soonish: 1. Convert all exisiting

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Andy Lester
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 10:31:49PM +0100, Tim Bunce ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Here's what I'd like to see done soonish: > > 1. Convert all exisiting test files to Test::More > 2. Parts of t/10examp.t should be broken out to separate test scripts > 3. Start increasing coverage, especially pri

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread stevan little
Tim, I subscribed to dbi-dev and dbi-users both. I will download and install subversion this weekend (i have been meaning to do this, but putting it off). And then I will get to work on #1 on your list (convert all tests to Test::More). I will also keep in mind your larger goal of developing th

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 03:03:10PM -0400, stevan little wrote: > On May 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: > > > >But still no hoplite has actually adopted the DBI... > > Since I would like to get involved here, and (with the exception of > HTML::Template, which is already taken) the module I

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Jim Cromie
stevan little wrote: On May 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: But still no hoplite has actually adopted the DBI... Since I would like to get involved here, and (with the exception of HTML::Template, which is already taken) the module I know best in the 100 is DBI. Besides, it seems like Tim

RE: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread stevan little
On May 7, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Tim Bunce wrote: But still no hoplite has actually adopted the DBI... Since I would like to get involved here, and (with the exception of HTML::Template, which is already taken) the module I know best in the 100 is DBI. Besides, it seems like Tim really want's someone

RE: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Potozniak, Andrew
Maybe daily or weekly reminders would be helpful, because I know most of the time when I go home from work I rarely to almost never thing about the Phalanx project. I just think there is a huge lack of communication between Hoplites. It would be nice to have a system where you can ask other

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Andy Lester
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 08:12:32AM -0500, James.FitzGibbon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Or...we could set some deadlines...like have 50% of your module tested > by YAPC, and/or possibly have some incentives. > > How about asking YAS if they would offer reduced price admission if you > flesh out

RE: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Potozniak, Andrew
> > > Encouraging simple status reports, say monthly, may help ensure > > > progress. > > > Or...we could set some deadlines...like have 50% of your > module tested > by YAPC, and/or possibly have some incentives. > > Say "..50%.. of modules tested by YAPC or we cancel the conference"?

RE: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread James.FitzGibbon
> > Encouraging simple status reports, say monthly, may help > > ensure progress. > Or...we could set some deadlines...like have 50% of your module tested by YAPC, and/or possibly have some incentives. Say "..50%.. of modules tested by YAPC or we cancel the conference"? How about asking YAS if t

RE: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Potozniak, Andrew
> Encouraging simple status reports, say monthly, may help > ensure progress. Or...we could set some deadlines...like have 50% of your module tested by YAPC, and/or possibly have some incentives. ~~Andrew

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-07 Thread Tim Bunce
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:09:03PM -0600, Jim Cromie wrote: > stevan little wrote: > > >I looked on the site (http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/), but there was > >nothing said about how to get involved in this project. Are you > >looking for help? And if so, how can I help? &

Re: How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-06 Thread Jim Cromie
stevan little wrote: I looked on the site (http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/), but there was nothing said about how to get involved in this project. Are you looking for help? And if so, how can I help? Thanks, Steve sure. Pick a module from phalanx 100, based upon your personal uses, or whichever

How can I get involved in the Phalanx Project

2004-05-06 Thread stevan little
I looked on the site (http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/), but there was nothing said about how to get involved in this project. Are you looking for help? And if so, how can I help? Thanks, Steve

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2003-12-27 Thread andy
So can someone tell me what the Bundle is here for? What's it trying to achieve? How would someone use it? Is it part of a bigger test thing I'm not aware of? Curious, xoxo, Andy

Re: Trying to spear a phalanx shield for pod

2003-10-29 Thread Adrian Howard
On Tuesday, Oct 28, 2003, at 23:48 Europe/London, Michael G Schwern wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 08:17:24PM +, Adrian Howard wrote: This may be a dim question but why scan blib and lib? [snip] my $blib = File::Spec->catfile(qw(blib lib)); [snip] That's not blib and lib, that's a cross p

Re: Phalanx

2003-10-29 Thread Tim Bunce
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:38:31PM -0600, Andy Lester wrote: > >1) DBI (Tim Bunce specifically asked for help in re-designing the test > > suite). > > > >2) CPANPLUS. > > > >3) Module::Build. > > I'm all for having those biggies handled by Phalan

RE: Phalanx

2003-10-29 Thread Jeays, Mark
ll mail the list and I expect we'll get a consensus fairly easily & then mail Andy. > As for how to get started, I just followed the excellent checklist > at http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/modules.html and it has worked like > a charm. If a module you really really like is already ta

Re: Phalanx

2003-10-29 Thread Andy Lester
irely. When I came back from OSCON I was awed by how much raw Perl power is in London.pm, and how much they drive the Perl community, especially on Perl 6. I came back to Chicago.pm and challenged them to do something similar with Phalanx. xoa -- Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED], AIM:petdance

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