|Comments (otherwise you have things pretty much right):
]- that is good :")
|
|> Every subrotine or variable or method or object can have a "notes" (out of bound
|data)
|out-of-band data
]- yep
|> we can even have hyper-assignment :
|>
|> my ($a, $b) ^= new Foo;
|
|This is unlikely to do w
me again,
At the moment based on Apo1->4 no ex's "walked" yet.
- There is a questions inside feel free to answer ... [?? ... ??]
- Also links for other reference implementation will be good.
- Also feel free to correct my english :")
What's new ?
Let me first mention this is in no means ful
I've seen in theDamian Sypnosys following code :
$val <= $key
does this mean that we now have also reversed syntax possible for hashes ? and pairs
too ?
raptor
|On 6/4/02 12:22 PM, David Wheeler wrote:
|> I think that if we can agree to forego backwards compatibility, we might
|> also be in a better position to set up a CP6AN with much better quality
|> control. All of the most important modules will be ported very quickly
|> (e.g., the DBI), and a l
Does Parrot compile on ICC , if yes is it faster ?
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1056
CoyoteGulch.com has published an interesting article, benchmarking GCC 3.04 and ICC 6
(the article will be updated again after GCC 3.1's release). In the tests, ICC seems
to pull ahead in most t
aren't it ?)
raptor
PS. One thing just pooped to me... is the "class { }" a block so that we can do all
block mumbo-jumbo with it :")
|> What I've often wanted would be standard method that is called before
|> every
|> subroutine call. If that method returns
kernel threads, thus
giving the advantages of fast thread creation/deletion, and as much concurrency as the
hardware will support.
raptor
perfect... in fact during the middle of the read someting similar come to my mind..
i.e the best way should be to have several in-loop-proprietes that we can test and
decide what to do ...
There have to be CAPITALISED words only for the block stuff ...
raptor
|> Damian, now having terrible visions of someone suggesting C ;-)
|
|Then may I also give you nightmares on: elsdo, elsdont, elsgrep, elstry ...
]- unlessdo, unlesdont, unlessgrep, unlesstry
what about "elsunless/unlesselse" then :")
|On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 02:55:09PM -0500, Allison Randal wrote:
|> I still don't like the idea of Cs on loops. I already do an
|> instant double take with C of "Where's the if?" (with visions of
|> old Wendy's commercials dancing in my head).
|
|Me too. That's why the looping "else" should be s
|Oh! I have an idea! Why don't we make the lexer just realize a prefix
|"els" on any operator. Then you could do C. :P
|
|My point is that, IMO, this whole "els" thing is completely preposterous.
|I'm the kind of person that likes to keep down on keywords. And I never
|liked Perl5's C anyway; I
]- me too .
|I actually like Andy Wardly's suggestion of iterators. It makes a lot of
|sense and looks a lot cleaner to read and write and adds less new syntax
|to remember (and parse).
|
|Clayton
raptor
Also slowing down 0.0.99 so that 0.1.0 has atleast 2-3 times speed up over 0.0.99 :"))
|I don't see "World Domination" or "Nervous Breakdown" in there anywhere.
great idea :")
I've just tried gnuCash program and think it is very cool (i've enjoyed to take
first steps in double-entry accounting, i was always wondering what the hell is this
:") )...
http://www.ncsysadmin.org/july2001/ncsa-gnucash-talk.html#toc1
(very entertaining intro :") )
Meanw
hi,
I thought it will be good if on dev.perl6.org we have an arhive with all Apo's and
Ex's, so anyone can get them in pack... (prefebaly printed version)
Throught the links I got all except Apo1. Anyone to have the link nearby
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- Danke very much :")
es) that will speed up closures & continuation ?
>
> raptor
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I was just reading this :
http://www.javalobby.com/clr.html
and a question raised to me. Will Parrot have some optimisation
(features) that will speed up closures & continuation ?
raptor
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mops tests :
on perl5,python I get - 2.38 M/ops
ruby ~ 1.9 M/ops
ps ~ 1.5 M/ops
parrot - 20.8 M/s
parrot jitted - 341 M/ops and it finish in half second ... for most of
the other I have to wait more that a minute ..
I didnt expected it to be so fast :") ... Celeron800@1096Mhz (Mandrake
8.1)
>
hi,
how to compile JITed code ... !!
Is there some list of tweaks, switches that can be used to speed up the
Parrot? Particulary for people like me that are not very close to C
programming :")
thanx alot
raptor
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Did u passed "Bermuda Triangle" :")
raptor
hi,
will it be possible to do this inside Perl program :
use parrot;
...parrot code...
no parrot;
OR
sub mysub is parrot {
parrot code ...
}
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The JikesT Research Virtual Machine (Jikes RVM) provides the academic and
research communities with a flexible open testbed to prototype new virtual
machine technologies and experiment with a large variety of design
alternatives.
The virtual mac
All I found with lycos... but no speed comparison only mumbo-jumbo :
http://language.perl.com/versus/
http://www.jvoegele.com/software/langcomp.html
http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/langopts.htm
http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~sholden/pythonperl.html
http://www.pixeldate.com/dev/comparison/
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hi,
I see that it was mentioned that Perl5 is fast than Java, Python etc... and
was wondering is there any comparison how-much, if ? and if why ? and if we
know the reason can we exploit it further ... and similar...
And does really Perl6 will be faster. how much u expect ?
Thanx
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will the iterator variable be available in map, grep, join...etc...
I was also wondering if the join syntax be extended in a way that it can
support preffix and suffix... what i have in mind ... not necesary but :
#pair
join ($prefix => $suffix), @ary;
so :
my $select = join (qq{} => '
| I don't know if (and if so, how) you would see if you were on the last
| iteration. (And would that be last, as in the very last argument passed
in,
| or last, as in you're not going to iterate again?)
]- yep I didn't thougth about that I can be sure I'm at the last
iteration only with some
hi,
As we read in Damian Conway- Perl6-notes, there will by a var-iterator that
can be used to see how many times the cycle has been "traversed" i.e.
foreach my $el (@ary) {
.. do something
print $#; <--- print the index (or print $i )
}
shall we have :
foreach my $el (@ary) {
|
| > !< and !>
|
| How is !< different from >=?
]- the way of Expression or syntax-sugar if u like it :"), and is faster to
prononce :")
if, if not, unless
bigger, smaller, equal
less than or equal, bigger than or equal
not bigger, not smaller ...etc.
Personally I almost always make error wh
hi,
I was looking at Interbase SELECT syntax and saw these two handy shortcuts :
= {= | < | > | <= | >= | !< | !> | <> | !=}
!< and !>
Personaly i didn't liked if (! ...) construct too much, so even that
starting to use "unless" is harder for non-english speaker, I think is much
cleaner and
hi,
I was wondering if there was some way when using qouting to specify triming
of white space or other type of charachters we may need ... say like TT or
may be ...one example..
my $javascripCode = qq{
|
|function blah()
|if ( )
|};
|
};
|<-inner
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/6/8/11126/34098
> David L. Nicol wrote:
> > eval ${code}o;
>
> Another brilliant idea from David Nicol!
>
> However, I'm not keen on the syntax.
> I'd rather see a different keyword. I'm thinking "eval1",
> but I'm not very creative. :-/
]- what about :
qe//;# qe{};
OR
qo//
hi,
I tought about a posibility to access a HASH in way that the VALUES can also
be used like KEYS...i.e in perl6 I will say this :
%hash{key} = value;
I want to say also :
{value}hash% = key;
print {value}hash%;#will print the key for this value...
joking :")) but is this good... or I'm tal
> >I want to say also :
> >
> >{value}hash% = key;
> Just use two hashes for this purpose. If you can write a class that help
> keeping
> track of the two hashes, that will be more useful than inventing weird
> syntax.
]- this was not a proposed syntaxI was just joked about it ... sorry.
:"|
hi,
I see nobody is talking here ... so !
Anyone to have idea how the Parser will work... I mean mostly at the
language-developer side (not the internals).
It will be written in Perl, right ?! some striped-version of Perl ?! i.e.
what will be allowed and will not ?
Will it support lookahead, look
> in ?:: or any other condition checking block, 0 is true, everything else
is
> false. I am yet to see why otherwise or any third condition is needed.
If
> that's then we can have 4 conditions 1,0,-1,undef, and we can keep going.
> That is why there are conditions, if you want to check for -1 you
> Linguistically, "if then else, otherwise" doesn't make sense, since 'else'
> and 'otherwise' are synonymous.
]- ok .. I choosed wrong word... I'm not native English sorry... but I agree
that if-else-otherwise construct is not so good, for most of the people... I
forgot about it already :")
> ?
But at least the second shortcut is worth it, i think :
>
>cond ? then : else : otherwise
This has a vague smell of Fortran.
]- I don't know Fortran sorry :")
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> This makes no sense. ?: tests a boolean value, which is either true or
false.
> There is no ternary state for a boolean value. True/False, Yes/No, On/Off,
> 1/0. Are you suggesting Yes/No/Maybe? Or are you redefining True and
False?
]- I'm not talking about boolean's... but mostly this can be r
> I'm lost. How would you decrease the number of elsif statements with
> otherwise???
]- it is not to decrease the number of "elsif" (this that i hate elsif was
just comment :") not that u have to stop using it ), but to give a shortcut
... ok forget about "otherwise" ( i also think no one will
I've/m never used/ing "elseif" ( i hate it :") from the time I have to edit
a perl script of other person that had 25 pages non-stop if-elsif sequence)
... never mind there is two conditions in your example...
of coruse i've think of this just like a shortcut nothing special ... later
on :
$x =
hi,
we have <=> and 'cmp' operators but we don't have the conditional constroct
to use better their result :
May be forthcomming switch will solve this in some way, but isn't it better
to have shortcut like this :
if (cond)
{ }
else {}
otherwise {}
i.e.
if cond == 1 then 'then-block'
if cond
hi,
I just wanted to ask, 'cause i've not seen info on this anywhere does
functionality like those of Storable/Data::Dumper be available in the
perl-core ( i mean runtime ) ...
thanx
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I'm ok with both :
alias (%foo, %bar);
AND
my \%foo = \%bar;
the first variant look better to me (I mean it is easy to spot when u are
reading the code), but I also expected as U the second to work in Perl5 and
was very dissapointed to see that it doesn't work.:"(
The keyword "alias" on the oth
ooops I forgot if the vars in for are aliesed then it will be ok for using
it like 'with' :
for my $el ( $Request->{Param} ) {
print $el{qsParam1}
print $el{qsParam2}
}
but then what will be $_ ... alias OR copy !?! :") I mean mostly backward
compatibility...
One other way is 'local' to
> Hmmm. Didn't think about that. That would be a nice way, that way you can
> manipulate it's behaviour depending with how many aliases you provide.
>
> for my $el1, $el2 ( (@foo, @bar) ) {
> print "$el\n"
> }
>
> $el1 and $el2 would of course be aliases, right?
]- yes ALIASING will be bett
> So my initial code (which I modified a little...)
>
> for ( @foo, @bar ) {
> print "$_[0] : $_[1]\n";
> }
>
> for would set each element of the @_ array to correspond to the arguments
in
> for() , therfore $_[0] will equal to the current element of @foo and $_[1]
> will equal to the correspo
hi,
As I was programming i got again to one thing i alwas needed to have...
especialy when write something fast or debug some result... words comes
about for/foreach and accessing the current-index of the array I'm working
with i.e.
say I have two arrays @a and @b and want to print them (al
>> Does such a thing exist already?
>
>A WTDI exists already:
>
>for ( $XL->{Application}->{ActiveSheet} ) {
> $_->cells(1,1) = "Title";
> $_->language() = "English";
>}
>
>(presuming lvalue-methods, of course...)
So, in this case, a "with" synonym for "for" would work.
]- OR
http://www.go-mono.com/faq.html
> > > I mean something like this :
> >
> > > instead of :
> > > #$Request->{Params}
> > > local *myhash = \%{$$Request{Params}};
> >
> > > my %myhash alias %{$$Request{Params}};#see - it is my (now as far as I
know
> > > u can't have it 'my')
> >
> >You don't need a typeglob there; you can do the
> Yes but can't the same be accomplished with...
>
> my $myhash = (%{$Request->{Params}});
> print $myhash{abc};
>
> Though again it copies the structure, I don't see how dereferencing can be
> unclear?
]- if u have someting like this anything u can remove in some way is worth
it:))
$tables{
the structure is something like this :
$Request = {
Params => {
abc => 1,
ddd => 2
}
}
the idea is that U don't dereference i.e. :
my $myhash = ($Request->{Params});
if u want to use it U have to do this :
print $$myhash{abc}; #or if u preffer print $myhash
>> Two things i think is good to have it :
>>
>> 1. ALIAS keyword.
>> - first reason is 'cause many people don't know that this is
possible.. at
>> least any newscommer and it will help not to forgot that it exist
:").
>> - Code become more readable.
>> - can be Over
hi,
Two things i think is good to have it :
1. ALIAS keyword.
- first reason is 'cause many people don't know that this is possible.. at
least any newscommer and it will help not to forgot that it exist :").
- Code become more readable.
- can be Overloaded
- the syntax for aliasing can becom
ok,
"I've done it in one row, why you want it to fit in 80 columns ?!" (or
something like that can't remember well)
-- Larry Wall
:")
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> Ok, if we're all contributing quotes, here's mine:
>
> "I'm sorry for writing you such a long letter; I didn't have time
> t
> Is there any reasonable case where we would need to backtrack over
> successfully parsed source and redo the parsing? I'm not talking about the
> case where regular expressions run over text and ultimately fail, but
> rather cases where we need to chuck out part of what we have and restart?
]-
hi,
I don't know very much about internals or about how the parser works in
reality but something like this can be helpfull I think !! What I have in
mind ? Micro-perl-parser may be this is external interface (written in
perl).
rule:do {
/do/ and "{" call(token) and "}" and action
}
rule:t
> What will be the Perl6 code name ?
]- OK what about Velociraptor ;")
- It is animal - continuing the tradition ...
- it is one of the CLEVEREST dinos. (only truodont!! is thought that is
clever)
- it is PREDATOR - will hunt all other "languages"
- small - little bigger than human ... (leane
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Tom Christiansen wrote:
>
> > =item perl6storm #0050
> >
> > Radical notion: consider removing precedence.
> > Wrong precedence makes people miserable.
>
> (Some people already suggest that Perl only has two precedence rules: (1)
> multiplication and division come before add
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 03:17:47PM -0400, Ken Fox wrote:
> > > That's fine for the VM and the support libraries, but I'd *really*
> > > like to see the parser/front-end in Perl. There are dozens of RFCs
> > > that require some non-trivial extensions to the parser. It would
> > > be nice to cod
hi,
> so,
>
>while $i < 10 print $i; print $j;
>
> should become
>
>while ($i < 10) { print $i; print $j; }
>
> or
>
>while ($i < 10) { print $i; } print $j;
> ???
]- !!! ;")
problem can be solved again in this way i.e. shell like syntax :
while $i > 10 && $i++ && print $i;
mean thi
hi,
REBOL is the next generation of distributed communications. By "distributed"
we mean that REBOL code and data can span more than 40 platforms without
modification using ten built-in Internet protocols. The pieces of a program
can be distributed over many systems. By "communications" we mean t
> I don't even want to take things out a step to guarantee atomicity at the
> statement level. There are speed issues there, since it means every
> statement will need to conditionally lock everything. (Since we can't
> necessarily know at compile time which variables are shared and which
> aren't
hi,
here is one simple script (Requires Parse::RecDescent) that count operators
in scripts.(and my fisrt grammar ;") )
OK. I started this against my current perl installation.
(it is not pure RH6.2 install, but many things are added)
i.e.
find /perl_dir -name *.pm | ./count.pl | tee allops.txt
i
> >$x =10, $z =15 if $y > 12; # 8 click shorter
>
> Should work now. I just tested it in 5.6, but I think that's been valid
> since Perl4 or earlier.
]- yep my mistake...sorry :")
> >instead of this :
> >
> >if ($y > 12) {$x =10; $z =15} ;
> >
> >4 keyboard click shorter - Shift+( and Shift+)
hi,
We now can say :
$x = 10 if $y > 12;
It will be good if this also work.( i.e. block before if ).
{$x =10; $z =15} if $y > 12;
or
$x =10, $z =15 if $y > 12; # 8 click shorter
instead of this :
if ($y > 12) {$x =10; $z =15} ;
4 keyboard click shorter - Shift+( and Shift+)
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Hi,
I have couple of ideas which may or may not worth it, so I didn't
wrote the RFC but will list them here in short.
Here are the nice to have'it.
1. There will be good to have some sort of "match and/or assign" operator
for structures i.e. HASHES. Can't still figure out the syntax but may be
i
RFC 25 (v1): Multiway comparisons
and now snip from the Icon language :
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon/docs/ipd266.htm
2.1 Conditional Expressions
In Icon there are conditional expressions that may succeed and produce a
result, or may fail and not produce any result. An example is the compariso
=head1 REFERENCE
Icon language brief intro :
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/icon/intro.htm
hi,
> > So how is that different from:
> >
> > do BLOCK1 until do BLOCK2
>
> It's the same.
> But the real fun starts when blocks and functions can suspend and
> resume.
>
>{ ...
> # Return value and suspend.
> suspend $i;
> # Next iteration will resume here
> ...
>} a
hi jeremy, all,
here is one simple example , let say we have this XML file:
how we can implement the following XPath expression - "file://code"
I'm giving here very simplified example (orthen works as shown in first
interpretation i
> > They behave similarly like &&, ||, and, or operator with one main
> > distinction they "backtrack" for example:
> >
> > { block1 } B { block2 };
>
> This would be a good use of the to-be-liberated => operator:
>
> { block1 } => { block2 };
>
> In any case, "andthen" doesn't seem like a good
> There's also the cut operator which I didn't see mentioned in the RFC.
> It blocks backtracking so that something like this:
>
> B1 andthen B2 andthen cut B3 andthen B4 andthen B5
> wouldn't backtrack to B2 once it forwardtracked to B3.
]- I tried minimalistic approach as small as possible addi
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