Hello all,
As you probably know by now, I'm really fired up about making sure that
Parrot's string handling works well and supports a good range of
character sets and encodings. To this end, I sketched out PDD28 with
Allison and a cast of hundreds, and now I'm working on implementing it.
Geoffrey Broadwell wrote:
> Someone needs to reply to the comments from readers who have confused
> DBI and DBDI, and have thus decided we are turning Perl into Java.
It's Perl people, Geoffrey. You tell them that you've made a racing car
out of old biscuit tins, they'll tell you that you painted
I just ran this code, which worked with the expected results:
use DBDI;
my $conn = DBDI::DriverManager.getConnection("dbdi:SQLite3:test.db", "",
"");
my $stm = $conn.createStatement();
my $rs = $stm.executeUpdate("CREATE TABLE foo (bar, baz)");
my $stm = $conn.prepareStatement("INSERT INTO foo (b
Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> In r32873 I've updated assignment semantics so that it now tries to
> do the right thing when dealing with something coming from outside
> Rakudo's type system. In particular, assigning an UnManagedStruct
> to a scalar value should now properly take a reference instead
I'm writing an SQLite extension. I have it working fine in PIR, but the
bridge to Perl 6 is causing problems. Specifically, this Perl 6 code works:
SQLite::pmc_check(SQLite::open("test.db"));
# Returning 0x2d1efa0
# PMC 0xedf1a8 data pointer 0x2d1efa0
# PMC 0xedf1a8 data pointer 0x2d1efa0
But thi
Sure, what do you need me to do?
S
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On 3 Jun 2008, at 23:46, "James Keenan via RT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
Resolution of this ticket appears to depend on having Mac OS X 10.5
(whether on ppc or on intel).
Is there anyone who can volunteer to work on this?
Thank you ve
Simon Cozens wrote:
I think I've finished doing what I can with
docs/pdds/draft/pdd28_character_sets.pod for the time being.
Please have a look at it, and let me know if there's anything wrong,
anything unclear, anything missing or anything objectionable about it
Warno
Hi folks,
I think I've finished doing what I can with
docs/pdds/draft/pdd28_character_sets.pod for the time being.
Please have a look at it, and let me know if there's anything wrong,
anything unclear, anything missing or anything objectionable about it.
Character set and encoding support is
Edwin Steiner (via RT) wrote:
I found that rakudo segfaults when the following statements are
executed interactively:
Oops, I told RT but I didn't tell p6i:
This is the same bug as #49758; merging tickets.
--
Grr... don't get me started on Wagner. The man couldn't resolve a
dominant seventh t
Hello all.
This is a plea from the heart. Parrot was designed from the very beginning
to support abstract interfaces to strings, to avoid the scary hairiness we
had converting a Unicode-agnostic Perl 5.5 into a Unicode-aware 5.6.
Believe me, it was not fun.
So when I see stuff like th
Joshua Hoblitt via RT wrote:
What is the OSX toolchain solution for inline asm with fat binaries?
Architecture-specific ifdefs. gcc -arch ppc -arch i386 will run the compile
twice, and then bundle the two results together, so ifdefs will do the
right thing.
At some point we have to assume
James Keenan via RT wrote:
> The build tools tests are intended to be run after someone has made
> changes in modules such as lib/Parrot/Pmc2cUtils/, Ops2cUtils and
> Ops2pmutils/. They're set up to be run after Configure.pl has completed
> but before make has been invoked. (In fact, they will ge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> So let's go ahead and make it ??!!. (At least this week...)
I hereby christen this "the interrobang operator".
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang)
--
"Your fault: core dumped"
-- MegaHAL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Kennedy) writes:
> Forgive my ignorance here, but for all of these different ways of
> doing constants, will they all optimize (including partial
> evaluation/currying) at compile/build/init/run-time?
Gosh, I hope not.
> my $gravity is constant = 10; # One significant figu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ingo Blechschmidt) writes:
> I think the only thing you're missing are two braces:
> $.request_class = class is Foo::Request {};
Thank you; then how do I put methods into $.request_class?
--
"I will make no bargains with terrorist hardware."
-- Peter da Silva
Hello,
I'm having a seriously good time porting Maypole to Perl 6. If you
still have reservations about how Perl 6 is going to be to program in,
I urge you to try programming in it.
Now, commercial over, I have some questions.
What's the syntax for declaring inherited anonymous classe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Hursh) writes:
> Um, on a somewhat unrelated note, having tried to get a department of
> mine to switch over to perl from csh and REXX of all things, I have
> co-workers I hope never see this.
They may need to write their own operating system if they want to avoid the
dodgy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Siracusa) writes:
> Don't you think it's preferable to temp-expanding and compiling at runtime?
Not if it's slower, no. The choice was made not to go with bytecode because
of a deficiency in Perl. If that deficiency wasn't there, then sure, go
with bytecode.
But you're mis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Siracusa) writes:
> PAR doesn't compile or precompile to bytecode, it packages, temp-expands,
> and runs.
It *could* do this, but loading bytecode in Perl 5 is slower than loading
and compiling source, so there's not really much point. What's so magic
about bytecode, anyway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Siracusa) writes:
> there's an official way, you'll certainly see less wheel reinvention than in
> Perl 5. This is a good thing.
That is only true if you accept the fundamentalist principle that one should
never reinvent wheels. If that were true, then we wouldn't be worki
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Siracusa) writes:
> Anyway, what it'll give me is "official" support for this type of thing.
Call me a crazy man, but I *like* the lack of official support.
I actually count it as a Good Thing that perl can be made to do cool stuff
without Larry having to explicitly declar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Sherman) writes:
> > my $x = Some::Module::That::Defines::A::Class.AUTOLOAD.new("blah");
>
> Wow, that's pretty amazing... uh... I think I'd just prefer to do it
> the old fashioned way. If my suggestion was really that horrific, I
> withdraw the question.
These days, to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Storrs) writes:
> Does it even make sense to take the Infiniteth element of an array?
You should have used a hash in the first place.
--
BASH is great, it dumps core and has clear documentation. -Ari Suntioinen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juerd) writes:
> Could methods like "[]" and "{}" *default* to "postcircumfix:"?
A more interesting question is "does it mean anything for them *not* to be
postcircumfix"?
After all, the only other use would be "$foo.[]($bar, $baz)", which is
practically identical. Unless you w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> > $_='foo bar baz';
> > split;
> > # @STACK now is (1, 'foo', 'bar', 'baz');
> > I can imagine some uses for that...
>
> Sick... and... wrong. :-)
>
> Not only would it mess with what things have to do in void context, it
> would fudge up the garba
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hodges) writes:
> Do note that I realize I can check it. It's just that for no reason I
> can quite define, my C background wants a null byte to be FALSE without
> any special chicanery on my part when checking. I can live with the
> fact it isn't going to be, it just seems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> > message is something I really need to respond to, I probably won't
> > reply for the time being or will reply curtly.
>
> The difference?
Yeah, I doubt anyone will notoice.
> Feel better, Simon.
Thanks. And no thanks to whatever worm it was tha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chromatic) writes:
> Is "10" a string? Is it a number? Is "10base-T" a string? Is it a
> number? Is an object with overloaded stringification and numification a
> number? Is it a string?
>
> I don't know a good heuristic for solving these problems. If you have
> one, it's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Sherman) writes:
> is it really that new and scary?
No, but not for the reasons you think. You seem to believe that you're
comparing Perl and a Perl-derived language and pointing out that they're
both like Perl, but it looks like you're comparing two Algol-derived
language
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> familiar. You'll find this in the earlier Exegeses, Piers Cawley's
> article "Perl 6: Not Just for Damians"
> (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/10/23/damians.html), some of the
> presentations from the last few conference seasons, and scattered about
> the c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon Cozens) writes:
> I remember reading a transcript of a talk Larry gave sometime which mentioned
> a conversation between Heidi Wall and Damian Conway, in which Heidi said
> something like "But what is the future apart from a succession of tomorrows?"
I apologise for asking this here, but I can't think of anywhere better for
it, and I have a feeling what I'm looking for was in a Perl 6-related talk,
so...
I remember reading a transcript of a talk Larry gave sometime which mentioned
a conversation between Heidi Wall and Damian Conway, in which
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sumanth Sharma) writes:
> Pls throw some light on How are hashes handled internally in Perl?.
Fst, this is the Perl 6 internals list, and I suspect you want an answer
about Perl 5.
Assuming you do want an answer about Perl 5, please see
http://www.netthink.co.uk/downloads/i
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> It would be a (roughly) zero growth option to simply
> switch to :x syntax for command-line switches instead of -x syntax.
And POSIX be damned!
--
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
- Agent J, Men in Black
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Clites) writes:
> So what does "$foo = 12" in that context actually mean in Perl6?
Another interesting question is "in Perl 6, are variables typed, values typed,
or a little of both?"
It seems that Parrot has been working primarily on the assumption that it's
values that a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
>
> which doesn't quite work, because $spot is undefined. What probably happens
> is that the my cheats and puts a version of undef in there that knows it
> should dispatch to the Dog class if you call .self:new() on it. Anyway,
> we'll make it work one
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes:
> my Joe $foo;
>
> emits the code that, at runtime, finds the class ID of whatever Joe's
> in scope, instantiates a new object of that class
Uh, is that right? I don't think that "my" is a constructor, more a typing
declarator.
--
Hi, this is Ken. Wh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark J. Reed) writes:
> > The biggest use of modulus is in implementing hashes
>
> Rather, one of the biggest uses. I don't have documentation to support
> the claim that it is the biggest, and there are certainly others -
> date arithmetic, astronomy etc.
I'll bet you the ac
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Sherman) writes:
> $ find . -name \*.pl | wc -l
> 330
> $ find . -name \*.pl -exec grep -hlE 'qx|`|`|readpipe' {} \; | wc -l
> 123
>
> `` gets used an awful lot
But that's in Perl 5, which is a glue language.
--
"Though a program
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> > if (specific() ?? detail1() && detail2() :: general()) {...}
>
> For some value of "correct" I suppose. Using ??:: within an if/else context
> makes my skin crawl, stylistically. :-(
Ah, then use if!
if (if(specific()) { detail() } else { ge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> Since the emacs codebase is already ported to many platforms, it should
> be trivial to add this to the core perl distribution. Perhaps Simon
> would agree to lead this effort?
I would laugh, but http://search.cpan.org/~jtobey/Emacs-EPL-0.7/
--
On ou
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Gottman) writes:
> This function would be very useful in inner loops, so if it is possible to
> implement it more efficiently in the core than as a sub in a module I think
> we should do so.
And, if it's possible to implement it more efficiently in the core than as a
sub in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> Before this gets simonized, let me add that this seems genuinely useful: It provides
> a way of constructing a loop in a dimension that is not really accessible, except
> via recursion.
Oh, it *is* useful, and it's extremely nice to know that someth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> > I'm not sure that having quaternary logic in Perl 6 is necessarily a good
> > idea. Why stop only at four states?
>
> Total about twelve possible "states" plus junctions, of which eight or nine
> would be 'useful', and only three would be knowingly u
I'm not sure that having quaternary logic in Perl 6 is necessarily a good
idea. Why stop only at four states?
--
... though the Japanese must be the most stupid people... I'm sure I
read somewhere that Tokyo has the densest population in the world...
- Gid Holyoake, sdm.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carissa) writes:
> Obviously the Perl6 community has accepted that it's possible to have
> variants on operators for things like vectorization. I'm wondering if there
> would be any desire, need or room for what I have so far thought of as
> "persistent" (or "Energizer Bunny") o
"Oh, it's got lots of Japanese in it, I'd better read it..." :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> Some will argue that since English doesn't have a grammatical
> postfix topicalizer like Japanese, we should stick with something
> like more English-like:
>
> $x = (.a + .b + .c given $f
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Mitchell) writes:
> Did I miss something? Was there ever an apocalyse 7?
Yes, there was. It was tacked on the end of Apocalypse 6, and said
essentially "No longer in core. See Damian."
--
DYSFUNCTION:
The Only Consistent Feature of All of Your Dissatisfying
Relati
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damian Conway) writes:
> Thanks for those. We'll leave them out overnight and see if the elves
> will make them disappear from the various on-line versions. ;-)
It may take a *couple* of nights, but the elves will be at work.
--
Gods, you know your house is full of goths when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Smylers) writes:
> Also, not strictly to do with formats but raised by the above, how is
> infinity written in Perl 6?
â
?
--
even though I know what a 'one time pad' is, it still sounds like
a feminine hygiene product.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Smylers) writes:
> Also, not strictly to do with formats but raised by the above, how is
> infinity written in Perl 6?
â
--
Complete the following sentence: People *ought* to weigh bricks, cats
and cinnamon in the same units because... - Ian Johnston
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Sherman) writes:
> At the current rate, the aforementioned apoc #11 will be out sometime
> after I die, a frustrated old man who remembers the glory days of Perl
> 3.
The current rate is not going to be sustained; the Perl 6 class sytem
is a massive thing, and once that's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bennett Todd) writes:
> 2004-02-26T14:26:47 Larry Wall:
> > Well now, I remember Perl 0, sonny.
>
> Does that still exist anywhere?
If nowhere else, Larry's got a copy IN HIS HEAD. :)
--
I have heard that the universe does not support atomic operations
(although I've not see
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> It's the coherence that I can't delegate, and if I tried to, we would
> certainly end up with Second System Syndrome Done Wrong, instead of Done
> Right.
You know, it's statements like this that make it hard for even me to
be curmudgeonly.
> E7 is com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Whipp) writes:
> @sorted = sort { infix:<=> map { scalar $_.foo('bar').compute } @^_ } }
> @data
Abusing the rubyometer slightly:
@data = @sorted.sort( op => &infix:<=>, key => { $^a.foo('bar').compute } );
--
If the code and the comments disagree, then both are probably
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Crane) writes:
> One option might be an 'rsort' function, but I think that's somewhat lacking
> in the taste department.
Agreed.
> Another might be as simple as
>
> @unsorted ==> sort ==> reverse ==> @sorted;
@sorted <== sort <== @unsorted, no? ;)
> @unsorted ==>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Scott) writes:
> On 10 Feb 2004, at 14:09, The Perl 6 Summarizer wrote:
> > I wonder how long it'll be before someone reimplements
> > them in in PIR...
>
> or Perl6 perchance.
Well, Perl6::Rules should be coming out soon, so that should help.
--
The problem with
Just some opinion pieces:
http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/wlg/3941
and my reply
http://blog.simon-cozens.org/bryar.cgi/id_6649
--
You can't have everything... where would you put it?
-- Steven Wright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leopold Toetsch) writes:
> It can be fixed. It'll take a lot of overhead. Following all branches in
> spaghetti code is a PITA.
>
> Just don't do that. Separate your subs in distinct compilation units.
And then you don't need to worry about the fact that Parrot running
computer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Wardley) writes:
> Sure, make Perl Unicode compliant, right down to variable and operator
> names. But don't make people spend an afternoon messing around with mutt,
> vim, emacs and all the other tools they use, just so that they can read,
> write, email and print Perl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Coleda) writes:
> What's going on with the ordering of messages? My message of : Tue, 27 Jan 2004
> 19:53:15 -0500 just made it to the list, a day after my (also delayed) /followup/ to
> that message. And Leo, who responded to the most recent, had his email make it to
> t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Mitchell) writes:
> The perl5 internals are a complete mess. It's like Jenga - to get the
> perl5 tower taller and do something new you select a block somewhere in
> the middle, with trepidation pull it out slowly, and then carefully
> balance it somewhere new, hoping the wh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes:
>if ($foo > 10) {
> print $foo;
>}
> This is mainly because of the possibility of tied or
> overridden namespaces, which would argue for a refetch on each use.
No, come on, Dan. It's far worse than that.
It'll be possible, from Perl-space to o
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael.Firestone) writes:
> As there is no search engine at this moment
groups.google.com might work for you.
--
Wouldn't you love to fill out that report? "Company asset #423423
was lost while fighting the forces of evil."
-- Chris Adams in the scary.devil
What's left to do to allow Parrot to be embedded into an interpreter and
have IMCC fed directly to it? cola seems to be the closest thing in
languages/ to do this, but even that requires shelling out to system calls.
I'd like to start putting together some little language interpreters.
--
For
Jeff Clites:
> But here what I'm copying is the _contents_ of the hash slot.
True, but irrelevant. :)
> And here I'm not making a copy, but also the thing I'm taking a
> reference to is not the same thing I copied above. Here, it's a
> reference to a hash slot.
No, it isn't. It's a reference t
Jeff Clites:
> But there's a semantic difference between a "reference to a hash
> element" and a "reference to something which happens to have come out
> of a hash".
True, but irrelevant. :)
> $a = $hash{bar};
Here you used the copy constructor before taking the reference. It might look
like a
Arthur Bergman:
> I am wondering how the references to hash elements are planned to be
> done? The call to set_ must somehow be delayed until the time is right.
I would have thought that a hash element would itself be a PMC rather
than an immediate value, so a reference to that should be treated
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> is classof($x)
Ouch. $x's class isn't a property or trait of it?
> class AnonClass is classof($x) does FooBar { }.bless($x, foobar => bar)
I don't understand what the bit at the end is doing. This is calling .bless
on the overriden method? And I'm not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Lazzaro) writes:
> Well, just for clarification; in my anecdotal case (server-side web
> applications), the speed I actually need is "as much as I can get",
> and "all the time". Every N cycles I save represents an increase in
> peak traffic capabilities per server, whic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hodges) writes:
> I am not seeing unicode.
Don't worry because, and I honestly don't mean this disparagingly - by the
time Perl 6 is ready for prime-time, you will. Larry got this one right.
--
"Jesus ate my mouse" or some similar banality.
-- Megahal (trained on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> P.S. I think we deserve a $rubyometer-- for bypassing mixins.
I think you deserve loud and wild applause for an object model I want
to use Right Now Dammit.
--
Overall there is a smell of fried onions. (fnord)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Lazzaro) writes:
> I think we also need to be skeptical of the false economy of putting such
> sugar into CP6AN, if a sizable portion of the community is going to
> download it anyway.
"The standard Perl library will be almost entirely removed. The point of this
is to fo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> $substituted = ($text ~~ s/$pattern/$replacement/) but nothing;
Surely "no buts"? :)
> What I really want is a functional version of s///. Like:
> my $substituted = $text.s(/$pattern/, { $replacement });
> Without modifying $text.
$rubyometer++;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allison Randal) writes:
> We talked about this today. Our current thought is to retroactively
> write the Synopses and keep those up-to-date (with notes in the outdated
> parts of the A's and E's pointing to the relevant section of the
> S's).
To be honest, I don't care how it's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> Sigh. There's no =~ operator in Perl 6.
How should we go about bringing A3 up to match current reality? It is, after
all, over two years old now.
--
End July 2001 - Alpha release for demonstration at TPC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> This is what I was talking about when I mentioned being able to do:
> &cleanup .= { push @moves: [$i, $j]; }
This reminds me of something I thought the other day might be useful:
$cleanup = bless {}, class {
method DESTROY { ... }
}
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes:
> > Luke Palmer:
> > > That's illegal anyway. Can't chain statement modifiers :-)
> Will be able to.
I thought as much; Perl 6 will only be finally finished when the biotech
is sufficiently advanced to massively clone Larry...
--
Sometimes it's better n
Luke Palmer:
> Well... it is and isn't. At first sight, it makes the language look
> huge, the parser complex, a lot of syntax to master, etc. It also seems
> to me that there is little discrimination when adding new syntax.
Correct.
> But I've come to look at it another way. Perl 6 is doing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> I was reading the most recent article on perl.com, and a code segment
> reminded me of something I see rather often in code that I don't like.
The code in question got me thinking too; I wanted to find a cleaner
way to write it, but didn't see one.
> So,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Shitov) writes:
> Is it possible to get environment variables from perl6 programme? It
> failes when I try to use perl5 hash %ENV. Thanks.
Are you sure you're using the Perl 6 hash syntax? (%ENV{FOO} rather than Perl
5-style $ENV{FOO})
What version of Perl 6 are you usin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Wall) writes:
> But for the time being I'm tied to an IV pole
We got rid of those; they're PMC poles now.
Get well soon,
Simon
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"They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the
Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> Frankly, I think I'd rather see:
Some nits:
> macro atexit($code) is parsed(/{ * }/) {
Probably just
macro atexit($code) is parsed(//) {
> $block .= $code;
$block _= $code;
Dunno what .= would mean now . is method call. I'm sure som
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> [$lhs, $rhs]æ\220\215.æ\235\237compile;
What's that in old money?
--
As the saying goes, if you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. If you
teach him to grep for fish, he'll leave you alone all weekend. If you
encourage him to beg for fish, pretty soon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) writes:
> >I know what BASIC means, but what the hell is a PCM and what is a IMCC
> >supposed to mean? And what is a CPS? The FAQ doesn't cover this...
>
> PMC is Pulse Code Modulation
That's PCM. PMC is Phillip Martin Cozens, my father.
--
Will your long-winded
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Piers Cawley) writes:
> Great. But will it also be possible to add methods (or modify them)
> to an existing class at runtime? You only have to look at a Smalltalk
> image to see packages adding helper methods to Object and the like
People get upset when CPAN authors add stuff t
Not sure if this has been flagged up here or not yet, but it looks
interesting:
http://nickle.org/implement/html
" For non-local jumps caused by break, continue and return statements, Nickle
automatically builds a continuation if necessary to ensure that intervening
twixt blocks are executed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alberto Manuel Brandão simões) writes:
> The question is simple, and Dan can have the same problem (or him or
> Larry). I am thinking on a Perl 6 book in portuguese (maybe only a
> tutorial... but who knows). But that means I must write something which
> will work :-)
Just a hin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damian Conway) writes:
> The last thought on the problem that Larry's shared with me was that there
> may need to be a special case for allowing a single &block parameter after
> the slurpy
And the Rubyometer creeps up another few notches...
(Gosh, you'd almost think that Matz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Scott Duff) writes:
> My only dream is that by this time next year we have a fully-
> functional-people-can-use-it-in-production Perl6. It doesn't even
> have to be 100% complete; I think just 85% would be enough if it were
> the right 85%.
I've been using an 85%-compl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Austin Hastings) writes:
> replacing, or merging, formats with emit-rules
> seems like an interesting project.
I dunno, I think it fires my "change for the sake of change" alarm bells. So
far we're already throwing away thirty years of^W^W^W^W^W^Wrationalising one
Unix little l
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Steiner) writes:
>Description: This list is for discussing user-visible changes to
>the language.
>
> It's somewhat unnerving to post on topic and (hopefully) politely and
I think your post was spot on; the only problem I had with it is that I felt
it was addressin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Steiner) writes:
> Well, it's a bike shed.
Perhaps best not to have people expend lots of energy painting bike sheds
until the nuclear reactor's anywhere near functional, though.
I think the whole thing can be done, in whatever style people would like,
using whatever natt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> It will still have a lot of power in text processing, and still be a
> powerful "quicky" language, but that's no longer its primary focus --
> not to say that highly structured programming is.
So, uh, what is?
> And you can still do it the Perl 5 way in P
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Luke Palmer) writes:
> I don't know what the "official" (this week) policy is, but I
> think it's a bad idea for references to auto-dereference.
keys %$hash_r would bore me compared to keys $hash_r, since 'keys' can
easily know that it wants a hash; in fact, I thought that auto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Smylers) writes:
> No! Please! PHP tried this and gets it very wrong indeed
Don't be too hasty on the basis of one failure - Ruby tried it and got
it very right indeed. In fact, Ruby has three types of equality/match
operator, all slightly different, but most people on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthijs Van Duin) writes:
> >Well, if you optimize for the most common case, throw out threads altogether.
>
> Well, I almost would agree with you since cooperative threading can
> almost entirely be done in perl code, since they are built in
> continuations. I actually gave a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthijs Van Duin) writes:
> I think if we apply the Huffman principle here by optimizing for the
> most common case, cooperative threading wins from preemptive threading.
Well, if you optimize for the most common case, throw out threads altogether.
--
"The bad reputation UNIX
To what extent should the (presumably library-side) ability to parse a
given markup language influence Perl 6's core language design? (which
is what this list is nominally about.) I think this ought to
approximate to "none at all".
--
I'd rather have ham in my sandwich than cheese, but complaini
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthijs Van Duin) writes:
> OK, I suppose that works although that still means you're moving the
> complexity from the perl implementation to its usage: in this case,
> the perl 6 parser which is written in perl 6
No, I don't believe that's what's happening. My concern is that
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