[perl #38262] [CAGE] get external Perl5 modules out of the parrot repo

2008-02-21 Thread James Keenan via RT
On Wed Feb 20 19:53:30 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed Feb 20 18:17:12 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > Class::Struct was first released with perl 5.004 > ... > > > Text::Balanced was first released with perl 5.007003 > > > > > > Both removed from distribution in r25974.

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Geoffrey Broadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that this can't be done > directly because of rules surrounding TPF's non-profit status. That someone was me and that's not what I said. I said it isn't as simple as Bob

[perl #51086] Incorrect codas in languages/c99/{c99,src/builtins/say}.pir

2008-02-21 Thread Will Coleda via RT
On Thu Feb 21 15:41:52 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Howdy, > > " ft=pir" was removed from the codas in languages/c99/c99.pir and > languages/c99/src/builtins/say.pir, which causes > t/codingstd/pir_code_coda.t to fail. The attached patch fixes these > failures. > > Matt > Thanks, applied i

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Geoffrey Broadwell
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 18:45 -0500, Joshua Gatcomb wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Allow people to choose where their money will go (if that's what they > want to do) Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that this can't be done directly beca

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:25:42 Joshua Gatcomb wrote: > > > I could take a month's sabbatical from my day job for $5000 without losing > insurance coverage or other benefits. That's slightly more than Audrey's > $100/da

[perl #47109] [CAGE] wrap macro args in parens inside macro bodies

2008-02-21 Thread Will Coleda via RT
On Fri Nov 02 07:56:44 2007, particle wrote: > as per PDD07 (r22655,) c macro args *must* be wrapped in parens inside > macro bodies, to allow expressions passed as macro parameters. > > for example, i expect: > #define CLASS_has_alien_parents_TEST(o) > CLASS_flag_TEST(has_alien_parents, (o)) > i

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread chromatic
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:25:42 Joshua Gatcomb wrote: > Here is something to consider.  Unless we can afford to fund an individual > full time with enough money for them to pay for their own health coverage > and other benefits, the amount of time they are volunteering is already as > much a

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread brian d foy
In article , Conrad Schneiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So over the next few months, I'm planning to learn about > fundraising, and see what I can accomplish on behalf of Perl > 6 development. To that end, I'm soliciting: It's not really a money problem. It's finding someone to give the money

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Feb 21, 2008, at 14:42 , Larry Wall wrote: Again, that was a really good argument for pugs, which among other things *renewed* excitement in parrot. But pugs also demonstrated some difficulties with that approach. The fact is that every approach has run into almost insurmountable diffic

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
Larry Wall skribis 2008-02-21 11:42 (-0800): > : There are many important benefits to having several implementations, > : including fun and education. But commercially and marketing-wise, it's > : better to first assemble something that *works*, then to optimize its > : performance. > Hmm, indeed,

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:07:14PM +0100, Juerd Waalboer wrote: : I would very strongly prefer to see a focussed effort towards a single : full implementation. : : There are many important benefits to having several implementations, : including fun and education. But commercially and marketing-wis

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
Larry Wall skribis 2008-02-21 11:15 (-0800): > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:05PM +0100, Juerd Waalboer wrote: > : Then backtracking would happen, or more likely: Perl 6 would die. If > : this community cannot come up with a virtual machine that can handle > : Perl 6, then many people will lose all

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 01:29:05PM +0100, Juerd Waalboer wrote: : Then backtracking would happen, or more likely: Perl 6 would die. If : this community cannot come up with a virtual machine that can handle : Perl 6, then many people will lose all hope. Except that the people working on alternative

[perl #51052] [perl6] PCT has problems with integer literals

2008-02-21 Thread Patrick R. Michaud via RT
Fixed in r25936, thanks! Pm

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Fagyal Csongor
[...] I was there at the workshop too. You cannot count me in into being biased against Perl 6. Only biased that it takes so long :-). I know, and there were some others (like Herbert aka lichtkind, who writes and maintains the German Perl 6 wiki pages) with the same opinions. But the ge

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if that's a good idea - sadly many of them have the perception that Perl 6 is vapour ware. >>> I guess I have more trust in people than you do. :) >> >> ... and I just learned that my opions are biased. >> >> Last

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Joshua Gatcomb
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Conrad Schneiker < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've repeatedly encountered remarks about how much Perl 6 > development is constrained by the fairly severe time and > energy constraints of its overwhelmingly volunteer > development team. Here is something to cons

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread BUCHMULLER Norbert
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:14:13 +0100 (CET) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you argue that most people want an implemenation that covers large > parts of the specs, the most logical step would be to boost pugs > development. It's the most advanced implementation by far. > And I do believe that it can b

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Stefan Hornburg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if that's a good idea - sadly many of them have the perception that Perl 6 is vapour ware. I guess I have more trust in people than you do. :) ... and I just learned that my opions are biased. Last week I visited the German Perl Workshop, and heard many

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
>>>Should it really? I mean: is the time right for that now? >>> >>> >> >>Let's ask the other way round: Is this the time for only one >>implementation? And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? >> >>What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, but >>possible). >> >>

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
>>I don't know if that's a good idea - sadly many of them have the >>perception that Perl 6 is vapour ware. >> >> > I guess I have more trust in people than you do. :) ... and I just learned that my opions are biased. Last week I visited the German Perl Workshop, and heard many Perl 6 critical s

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Wim Vanderbauwhede
On 21/02/2008, Juerd Waalboer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (Someone wrote:) > > > > And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? > > > It is the original plan to implement Perl 6 on Parrot, and the project > that gets most developer attention. > > > > > What happens if parrot turns out to

What are the constraints for INTVAL?

2008-02-21 Thread Ron Blaschke
Hi, I'm trying to get an intuition how Parrot uses the basic data types, with an eye on INTVAL and opcode_t, what their limits and relationships are. Given a regular 32-bit x86 box, should it be possible to use Parrot with a 16-bit short, or a 64-bit long long, intval? The same question for o

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
> (Someone wrote:) > > And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? It is the original plan to implement Perl 6 on Parrot, and the project that gets most developer attention. > > What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, > > but possible). Then backtracking would h

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
> [...] > >>>To that end, I'm soliciting: >>>(1) your suggestions for preparation, >>>(2) your ideas for proposals, and >>>(3) your reasons why the Perl 6 ecosystem (including Parrot >>>and CPAN6) is one of the world's greatest and and most >>>extremely leveraged causes (technically, econom

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Juerd Waalboer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skribis 2008-02-21 9:38 (+0100): > 1) Let The Perl Foundation decide what to do with the money > advantage: they already have a comitee (is that really an advantage? ;-) > disadvantage: they seem to think that Perl 6 on Parrot is _the_ and the > only way to go. (There's nothing w

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Fagyal Csongor
[...] Should it really? I mean: is the time right for that now? Let's ask the other way round: Is this the time for only one implementation? And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, but possible). Let's give

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread Fagyal Csongor
[...] To that end, I'm soliciting: (1) your suggestions for preparation, (2) your ideas for proposals, and (3) your reasons why the Perl 6 ecosystem (including Parrot and CPAN6) is one of the world's greatest and and most extremely leveraged causes (technically, economically, and social

Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

2008-02-21 Thread moritz
> I've repeatedly encountered remarks about how much Perl 6 > development is constrained by the fairly severe time and > energy constraints of its overwhelmingly volunteer > development team. I think that is a valid point. On the other hand the language has to become mature gradually, and that pro

[perl #51062] [NEW] PHPArray PMC

2008-02-21 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Christoph Otto # Please include the string: [perl #51062] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=51062 > This patch adds an initial PHPArray PMC to Plumhead. After my earlier question about

[perl #51056] [PATCH] coding style consistency and doc fix

2008-02-21 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Christoph Otto # Please include the string: [perl #51056] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=51056 > This patch fixes some inaccurate documentation in gen_class.pl and makes generated sk

[perl #51052] [perl6] PCT has problems with integer literals

2008-02-21 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Stephen Weeks # Please include the string: [perl #51052] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=51052 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] perl6]$ echo 3.say | ./perl6 --target=pir .namespace .sub "_block10