Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-11 Thread Joseph Tainter
I've been told that Pentax have no plans of removing the aperture ring from the more expensive lenses. As usual, I might have been told bullshit... Pål If I recall correctly, photos I have seen of the FAJ 18-35 show both a distance scale and aperture ring, unlike other FAJ lenses. So perhaps t

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Alan Chan
One point we should not forget is that DSLRs are firmware upgradeable. So this function could be added *ANY TIME* should Pentax desire. Should we start learning Japanese now? :-) regards, Alan Chan _ Add photos to your messages with

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Alan Chan
Of course not, it was supposed to be hidden. Ever wonder how all those "secret codes" being planted by the programmers in PC games? To activate the stop-down metering, you have to press different buttons and turn the dials in certain way, and you must do it fast. :-) regards, Alan Chan Well, I

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Alan Chan
Obviously you're not including the time and effort required to realize the sale and then to purchase equipment. Speak for yourself but for some of us it would be a big hassle, we don't all live in NYC you know. Or even in North America. regards, Alan Chan

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Peter Alling
Mark, you've obviously never dealt with corporate marketers, you have much more faith than I have. At 09:02 AM 6/9/03 -0400, you wrote: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Pentax have chosen a simple (like competition) electronic metering >system. Keeping compatibilty would have meen keeping th

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Blivit4
There are no sure things in this world. Price and risk are connected. I've been using ebay for buying and selling since 1997. Some buyers/sellers are good and some are bad. Nothing bad enough to stop using it. BR Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Brucie baby, anyone on Ebay ever screw

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Arnold Stark
Well, I checked all custum functions that were available on the pre-production *ist D, and I can tell you that stop-down metering was not there. Arnold Personally, I think when we really get to examine the *ist-D in person we will find that they have allowed stop-down metering - I expect it may

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 9 Jun 2003 at 8:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you bought your gear used and can deal with ebay, changing systems is a > bother, but not expensive. It's more a question of motivation than money. If > something really matters to you you take action instead of whining. Obviously you're not in

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Lon Williamson
Brucie baby, anyone on Ebay ever screw you? I ain't going _there_ any more. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you bought your gear used and can deal with ebay, changing systems is a bother, but not expensive. It's more a question of motivation than money. If something really matters to you you take actio

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Pentax have chosen a simple (like competition) electronic metering >system. Keeping compatibilty would have meen keeping the expensive >system used on the MZ-S or even more expensive Permitting *stop-down* metering on K and M lenses would have cost NOTHING

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen
Lon wrote: > I personally think only a measurebator would have two 35mm SLR > systems. Think of it: everything in duplicate. Twice the cost, > weight, and storage. Really? People who owns 30 lens are going to have dublicate anyway. My point is to use different equipment for different usage

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Blivit4
If you bought your gear used and can deal with ebay, changing systems is a bother, but not expensive. It's more a question of motivation than money. If something really matters to you you take action instead of whining. BR Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I've always thought that wh

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Lon Williamson
I personally think only a measurebator would have two 35mm SLR systems. Think of it: everything in duplicate. Twice the cost, weight, and storage. I've always thought that when you buy into a mount and have some bucks invested, you are locked in unless you have more money than sense. This is w

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-09 Thread Pål Jensen
Rüdiger wrote: > 1. So far the design objective was to reach as much compatibility as > technically possible But now is the goal: as few compatibility as still > straight necessarily. They have designed entry level with limitations for years. Theres no change. > 2. Change in the camera operat

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
Hallo Alexander some replies to your reply > >> my problem is not the one K-lens I have. But I like to use the aperture ring >> like on the MZ-S, but that is not possible on the *ist, *istD and I fear on >> all coming *ists. I like to use power zoom on my FA* 2.8/80-200, not possible >> on the new

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
>Alexander wrote: > >>Still I >> think expensive stuff will support the aperture ring, >> similar as the expensive Nikon gear does. > >I've been told that Pentax have no plans of removing the aperture ring from the more expensive lenses. As usual, I might have been told bullshit... > > Why shoul

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
Alexander wrote: > Still I > think expensive stuff will support the aperture ring, > similar as the expensive Nikon gear does. *ist D is expensive stuff, and it does not support aperture ring. I see no turning point here. Dario Bonazza www.aohc.it

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
Pal wroten >> On the list was the argument, that the with the use of the aperture ring >> only at the MZ-S, the aperture is more accurate. With the thumb wheel at the >> Z-1p, the aperture is not exact. Will the aperture with the thumb wheel of >> the *ist, *istD be correct? > >I've heard they hav

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Brendan
The main reason I'd want a full KAF2 mount is so I can stick a 16mm mir on the thing and have a 24mm lens damnit. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Dario Bonazza 2
That's exactly my opinion too. Dario Bonazza www.aohc.it > Pentax loses thereby the only selling arguement in relation to the > competition, the k-mount compatibility. Why should I buy a *istD with the > pertinent lenses, if I can not use these lenses with my LX and MZ-S? > > If I transfer to a d

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Jun 2003 at 22:16, Pål Jensen wrote: > Isn't it possible to use the aperture ring on the *ist D? That really sucks! Accordion to all the reports thus far the aperture ring will be purely decorative. However you will be able to glance down at it (it has to be in the "A" position of course)

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Alan Chan
I've been told that Pentax have no plans of removing the aperture ring from the more expensive lenses. As usual, I might have been told bullshit... I think if they planned to remove the simulator on all future bodies (I am not saying they will, but if they would), it mightl be a matter of time th

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Alan Chan
With the thumb wheel at the Z-1p, the aperture is not exact. Will the aperture with the thumb wheel of the *ist, *istD be correct? The same doubt could be raised with Canon or Minolta system, except you will never find out because you have nothing to compare with. regards, Alan Chan _

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Pål Jensen
Alexander wrote: >Still I > think expensive stuff will support the aperture ring, > similar as the expensive Nikon gear does. I've been told that Pentax have no plans of removing the aperture ring from the more expensive lenses. As usual, I might have been told bullshit... Pål

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread alexanderkrohe
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:08:47 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?R=FCdiger_Neumann?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi RÜdiger, > Hallo > my problem is not the one K-lens I have. But I like to use the aperture > ring > like on the MZ-S, but that is not possible on the *ist, *istD and I > fear on > all coming *

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
>From Pal > >> Hallo >> my problem is not the one K-lens I have. But I like to use the aperture ring >> like on the MZ-S, but that is not possible on the *ist, *istD and I fear on >> all coming *ists. > >Isn't it possible to use the aperture ring on the *ist D? That really sucks! > > >>I like to us

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Pål Jensen
Rüdiger wrote: > Hallo > my problem is not the one K-lens I have. But I like to use the aperture ring > like on the MZ-S, but that is not possible on the *ist, *istD and I fear on > all coming *ists. Isn't it possible to use the aperture ring on the *ist D? That really sucks! >I like to use p

Re: Paradigm change of Pentax and the consequences (long)

2003-06-08 Thread Mark Roberts
"Rüdiger Neumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >my problem is not the one K-lens I have. I envy you. I have a K 15mm f/3.5 It would have been a useful - no, essential - lens for me on a DSLR. :( -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com