[Pce] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-operational-01.txt

2025-06-30 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi authors, Thanks for continuing to work on this document. Here are some minor comments. And one larger concern on Section 7. Cheers, Adrian === Your I-D has 6 front-page authors. The chairs can work with you on this, but 5 is the usual upper limit. Maybe, as this is an interop document, you

[Pce] Re: Paul Wouters' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-11: (with COMMENT)

2025-02-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
I think you may have missed it, Paul. Try searching for TBD1 and TBD2 (both in section 2). As to section 6.4 and the LSP-ERROR-CODE9, it is being deprecated so you might not expect to find any further text. Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: Paul Wouters via Datatracker Sent: 19 F

[Pce] Re: Mahesh Jethanandani's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2025-02-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
11 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram mailto:vishnupa...@gmail.com> > wrote: Adrian, Please see inline (prefixed [Beeram]) Regards, -Pavan On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 2:18 AM Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > wrote: Thanks again, Pavan. [snip] I read: This color

[Pce] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-state-sync-11

2025-02-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Sorry for being a bit late. This document covers function we need to specify as the deployed PCE scenarios get more complex. I think the document is ready for publication. Just a few nits. Best, Adrian = Nits = 1. The document does not state I think "The

[Pce] Re: Mahesh Jethanandani's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2025-02-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks again, Pavan. [snip] I read: This color attribute is used as a guiding criterion for mapping services onto the TE tunnel I took this to mean a guide for a classifier to know what traffic to place on the TE tunnel. I.e., the second option. [VPB] Yes, using color for mapping

[Pce] Re: Mahesh Jethanandani's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2025-02-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
k the semantics of FLOWSPEC to specify an attribute of the TE tunnel? Maybe. We'll let the IESG decide if this draft needs to be returned to the WG for discussing all possible alternative encoding mechanisms. Regards, -Pavan On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 3:24 AM Adrian Farrel

[Pce] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-08

2025-02-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Pavan, Thanks for the detailed response. In line… = Management Considerations = The PCE working group produced recommendations to guide the inclusion of manageability considerations sections in documents that it produces. Those recommendations made a positive difference to the quality

[Pce] Re: Mahesh Jethanandani's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2025-02-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
I, too, was stimulated by the response on this point. I am certainly not saying that the WG must change its approach here. But, given that a mechanism already exists to carry information describing how to associate traffic with an LSP, I thought that there should be some discussion (not necessa

[Pce] Re: WG Adoption of draft-fizgeer-pce-pcep-bfd-parameters-03

2025-02-10 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Marina, Cutting down to just two points. * 4.1 – I don’t so understand what is contradict I originally wrote: 4.1 has: The S-BFD parameters are only meant to be used for SR LSPs and with PCEP peers which advertise SR capability. This seems to contradict: - The

[Pce] Re: 回复: I-D Action: draft-zhang-pce-resource-sharing-17.txt

2025-02-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Haomian, Thanks for prompting for comments and opinions. I have read the latest version (-17) and have some thoughts. In principle, this seems like a reasonable requirement and a neat solution. It is a somewhat complicated use case that depends on the desire to support various resto

[Pce] Is draft-lee-pce-pcep-ls-optical ready for adoption?

2025-01-30 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, As draft-ietf-pce-pcep-ls approaches working group last call (it's in the queue), I thought it would be good to look at this draft and see whether it might be ready for adoption. In some senses, PCEP-LS for optical is the under-lying driver for PCEP-LS. That is, optical systems are less like

[Pce] Re: WG Adoption of draft-fizgeer-pce-pcep-bfd-parameters-03

2025-01-28 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I had a quick look at this draft as part of the adoption poll. It is not unusual for a document being considered for adoption to need additional work. This document certainly needs some attention. I have included some issues and nits below, after my considerations with respect of ad

[Pce] Re: Paul Wouters' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-vendor-12: (with COMMENT)

2024-11-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
teful-pce-vendor-12: (with COMMENT) Hi Adrian, On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 4:36 PM Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > wrote: Hi all, I'm one of the authors of 7470. I don't mind much about the outcome of this discussion, but the definition of "Updates" *stil

[Pce] Re: Paul Wouters' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-vendor-12: (with COMMENT)

2024-11-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi all, I'm one of the authors of 7470. I don't mind much about the outcome of this discussion, but the definition of "Updates" *still* remains occluded ☹ [1] 7322 no longer provides a definition, and the old definition in 2223 was, I think, confusing. IMHO, "B updates A" means that to achiev

[Pce] Thinking about PCEP over QUIC

2024-11-06 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tingting, Thanks for your presentation in today's meeting. I wanted to expand on my comment about the use of a new UDP port number specifically for PCEP over QUIC. I am not a QUIC expert, and I suspect Dhruv isn't either, but we chatted quickly and our understanding is the same. That is, the

[Pce] Re: Review of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-ls-01 in the context of draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp

2024-10-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-ls-01 in the context of draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp Hi Adrian, Thanks for your review. On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 6:42 PM Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > wrote: Hi, I reviewed draft-ietf-pce-pcep-ls-01 through the lens of draft-bonica- gendi

[Pce] Review of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-ls-01 in the context of draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp

2024-10-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I reviewed draft-ietf-pce-pcep-ls-01 through the lens of draft-bonica- gendispatch-exp. Of course, that document is only a work in progress, and even if it were published as an IETF consensus RFC, it would only be guidance. But you may find this review helpful to smooth the passage of your dr

[Pce] Re: A review of draft-ietf-pce-state-sync-07

2024-09-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks, Haomian. Lots of snipping, just leaving the conversations. Cheers, Adrian > 1. > > However, I find the examples running through sections 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 to be quite > unnecessary. There is a feeling of "trying too hard" to prove that there are uses for > the protocol extensions descri

[Pce] Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-iana-update

2024-09-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
p9fXsGHorZnnNAcN5fEnIYj3wg/2/> smime.p7s * <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pce/Ap9fXsGHorZnnNAcN5fEnIYj3wg/> [Pce] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-iana-update julien.meuric * <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pce/UvP2g605Th1A2rbvVA1eSSh8aXI/> [P

[Pce] Re: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-iana-update

2024-09-06 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Julien.   This is good and speedy progress (proof, if any were needed , that the IETF does not need to take multiple years to make simple changes).   As a co-author, I am content with the text and think it is ready to move forward.

[Pce] Re: Adoption Poll of draft-dhody-pce-iana-update

2024-07-31 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I support this work. I wonder whether it would be wise to merge with draft-farrel-pce-experimental-errors so that we only have one IANA document in the pipe. Cheers, Adrian From: Andrew Stone (Nokia) Sent: 31 July 2024 19:44 To: Ketan Talaulikar ; julien.meu...@orange.com

[Pce] Experimental Error-Types and Error-values

2024-07-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Does the working group want to pursue this? If so: chairs, can we consider adoption? If not: I can get a little peace by dropping the draft Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: 03 July 2024 11:34 To: Adrian Farrel ; Haomian Zheng Subject: New Version

[Pce] A review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-vendor

2024-06-29 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I'm continuing my campaign of reviewing PCE I-Ds that have been around for a while. This one had a very long run as an individual I-D, saw an implementation reported back in 2020, and was adopted in July last year. It seems the work is pretty stable. Perhaps it's time to polish it and move to

[Pce] A review of draft-ietf-pce-state-sync-07

2024-06-28 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, As this document approaches being ready for working group last call, I thought it might be helpful if I did a review. Cheers, Adrian === The document title could do with some clean-up. - Remove the full stop - Perhaps make it more straight-forward. For example, Procedures for Communication

[Pce] Re: Early code point allocation for draft-ietf-pce-sid-algo-10

2024-06-24 Thread Adrian Farrel
icate way to compute that metric in the name, maybe with just small modification and replacing “Summed” with “Cumulative”). Thanks, Samuel From: Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2024 1:29 PM To: 'Dhruv Dhody' mailto:d...@dhruvdhody.com>

[Pce] Re: Early code point allocation for draft-ietf-pce-sid-algo-10

2024-06-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
Although, I might be slightly wrong about the second metric because it is even more than that. Perhaps “Worst Leaf Summed Path Bandwidth”? A From: Adrian Farrel Sent: 22 June 2024 12:13 To: 'Dhruv Dhody' ; 'pce@ietf.org' Cc: 'pce-chairs' ; 'draft-ie

[Pce] Re: Early code point allocation for draft-ietf-pce-sid-algo-10

2024-06-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
No objection, Dhruv, although it might be helpful to distinguish between the Bandwidth metric advertised per link and the new PCEP metric type. Perhaps call the new metrics “Summed Path Bandwidth” and “Summed P2PM Path Bandwidth” because it is more descriptive? Cheers, Adrian From: Dhru

[Pce] Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-color-04

2024-06-04 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I support publication of this document, but I think there are some issues that need to be resolved first. See below. Cheers, Adrian === Because of the (obvious) risk of confusion of what is meant by "color", I tried to unpick the references. The important text is in the Intr

[Pce] Re: WG Adoption of draft-li-pce-controlled-id-space-16

2024-05-30 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Thanks for this relatively simple document. I suspect it provides a function that will be useful. I do have some thoughts, however. The Abstract says “This document describes a generic mechanism” but the document actually seems to have nothing generic in it and requires a new TLV

[Pce] Re: Changes for PCEP-LS IANA Considerations

2024-05-10 Thread Adrian Farrel
an “Experimental Use” range in the same registry. So, I guess I retract my suggested changes. Cheers, Adrian From: Adrian Farrel Sent: 08 May 2024 09:07 To: 'Dhruv Dhody' Cc: draft-ietf-pce-pcep...@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Re: Changes for PCEP-LS IANA Cons

[Pce] Re: Changes for PCEP-LS IANA Considerations

2024-05-08 Thread Adrian Farrel
. Thanks! Dhruv On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:04 AM Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > wrote: Hi, Thanks for posting the adopted draft. I think we need to make the following changes so catch all of the IANA issues associated with being Experimental. Cheers, Adrian ===

[Pce] Changes for PCEP-LS IANA Considerations

2024-05-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Thanks for posting the adopted draft. I think we need to make the following changes so catch all of the IANA issues associated with being Experimental. Cheers, Adrian === New section... 6.2. Experimental Error-Types and Error-Values This experiment uses a single Experimental Use e

Re: [Pce] Adoption Poll for draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls

2024-04-04 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks, Julien.   Once upon a time, I was quite skeptical about this idea, and unhappy to see it progress. But I have become used to the idea, and two things help me believe we should adopt this:   1. As an Experiment, this can be tried out and we

[Pce] New I-D on Experimental PCEP Error codes

2024-04-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi PCE, After some discussions with Dhruv about how and why we wrote RFC 8356, Haomian and I have posted a new draft to allow Experimental error codes in PCEP. In summary, 8356 created space for Experimental PCEP messages, objects, TLVs. The assumption (see Appendix A) was that you could do anyth

Re: [Pce] 2nd WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13

2023-11-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I've read the new version of this draft. I think it is ready for publication, but you have used smart quotes for the apostrophes in the Abstract and Introduction. Thanks for all the work. Adrian -Original Message- From: Pce On Behalf Of julien.meu...@orange.com Sent: 09 November 2

Re: [Pce] WG Adoption of draft-chen-pce-bier-11

2023-10-01 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Ran, I’ll try to get to that soon. Adrian From: chen@zte.com.cn Sent: 01 October 2023 18:42 To: d...@dhruvdhody.com; adr...@olddog.co.uk Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-chen-pce-b...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] WG Adoption of draft-chen-pce-bier-11 Hi Dhruv, Thanks for remindi

Re: [Pce] WG Adoption of draft-chen-pce-bier-11

2023-09-28 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I have no objection to the working group taking on this draft although I suspect that the community of interest is quite small, so there is some concern about proper review and WG consensus. Hopefully this adoption poll will secure a few promises of future review. A few editorial poi

Re: [Pce] WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip-20

2023-05-24 Thread Adrian Farrel
In the past, I would have agreed with Tom on this.   But we are routinely seeing a pause of more than 200 days between a WG issuing a Publication Request and the AD starting their review (which leads to updates and discussion before IETF last call). IANA don't do the

Re: [Pce] Adoption Poll for draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13-02

2023-03-28 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Julian. Yes, let's move this little draft forward quickly and ensure PCEP can be as secure as possible. A -Original Message- From: Pce On Behalf Of julien.meu...@orange.com Sent: 27 March 2023 10:49 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Adoption Poll for draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13-02 De

Re: [Pce] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-ipv6-15

2023-03-06 Thread Adrian Farrel
> Many thanks for your comments, I have accepted most of the comments > from you, and would like to discuss with you about the rest. Please see my > reply inline. Great. Thanks, Cheng. Continuing the discussion in line. Snipped all of the resolved stuff. > Because we have a lots of comments. It

Re: [Pce] A small issue with the use of ERO and RRO in RSVP-TE and PCEP

2023-02-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi again, Dhruv. Still not pushing this idea, but still trying to make sure it is correctly understood…. Of course an (unpopular) option would be to tell the PCE WG that it is not acceptable to use the RSVP-TE registries in this way, and let them know that if they want to specify paths for

Re: [Pce] A small issue with the use of ERO and RRO in RSVP-TE and PCEP

2023-02-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
Looks like I was somewhat right with “unpopular” 😊 Of course an (unpopular) option would be to tell the PCE WG that it is not acceptable to use the RSVP-TE registries in this way, and let them know that if they want to specify paths for other uses they should use a new PCEP ERO and RRO Object-T

Re: [Pce] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-ipv6-15

2023-02-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Here is my WG last call review of this document. Thanks to the authors for all of the work that has gone in. [A note for the chairs: Was this last call shared with SPRING?] Cheers, Adrian === Abstract The Source Packet Routing in Networking (SPRING) architecture In fact, although RFCs

[Pce] A small issue with the use of ERO and RRO in RSVP-TE and PCEP

2023-02-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, You may recall that, back in the early days, the plan for PCEP was that it was used to determine the paths that were to be signalled in MPLS-TE and to report on those paths. To that end, the ERO and RRO in PCEP messages follow the same construction as those used in RSVP-TE. That is, they are

Re: [Pce] WG Adoption of draft-dhody-pce-pcep-extension-pce-controller-srv6

2023-01-17 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Tl;dr I support the adoption of this draft. As a co-author of RFC 8283, I take an interest in this work and the wider applicability of PCECC. I've also been interested in how SID allocation is coordinated, and this seems like a reasonable solution. Given that we have procedures and protocol

Re: [Pce] Scoping Items from draft-koldychev-pce-operational

2023-01-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
As promised, I’m commenting into this thread as well. Picking Dhruv’s email from the thread because it best captures my feelings on the work. As I noted in the review I just posted, there seem to be a few (small but important) clarifications and changes to the previous specs that need to be

[Pce] A further review of draft-koldychev-pce-operational

2023-01-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, This is another fly-by review as I just saw the new revision of the draft pop up. I think it is important and helpful that implementers of IETF protocol work get together to document their experiences with the technology, so thanks to the authors for their work. However, I am concerned when

Re: [Pce] Thinking about draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13

2022-10-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
Wfm, thnx -Original Message- From: Russ Housley Sent: 14 October 2022 14:58 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tl...@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: Thinking about draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13 Maybe the phrase should be: PCEP implementations that support TLS 1.3 MUST

Re: [Pce] Thinking about draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13

2022-10-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
specification" makes all the concerns go away. Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: Russ Housley Sent: 14 October 2022 13:46 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tl...@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: Thinking about draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13 Adrian: TLS 1.2 doe

[Pce] Thinking about draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13

2022-10-13 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Thanks for kicking off work to get PCEP able to work with TLS1.3. This is important. However... :-) I think it would be helpful to clarify that statements about what implementations must or must not do (etc.) should be scoped as "implementations of this document." That is, you are not const

Re: [Pce] [Lsr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-10-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Gredler ; JP Vasseur (jvasseur) ; meral.shirazip...@polymtl.ca; Adrian Farrel Subject: RE: [Lsr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) John - So you are suggesting that Section 4 of the draft be modified to say: "This intro

Re: [Pce] [Lsr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-10-04 Thread Adrian Farrel
Adrian -Original Message- From: John Scudder Sent: 04 October 2022 18:29 To: Lars Eggert Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-supp...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr ; Acee Lindem ; pce@ietf.org; Hannes Gredler ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; jvass...@cisco.com; meral.

Re: [Pce] WG Adoption of draft-chen-pce-pcep-ifit-06

2022-07-07 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I read through this draft as part of the adoption poll. I found it quite hard to work out from the Abstract what the purpose of the document is. The Introduction is a little more informative, but also quite hard work. It turns out, when you read the document, that two things are b

Re: [Pce] Draft -06 available with most WG LC comments addressed//was: WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-vn-association-05

2022-04-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Haomian, Looking good. Cut down to just a few open points. Best, Adrian 4. (for VIRTUAL-NETWORK-TLV) Length: Variable Length Length of what and in what units? Just the Virtual Network Name or the whole TLV? Probably in octets. What is the maximum allowed value?

Re: [Pce] ASCII in PCEP (WAS - Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-vn-association-05)

2022-03-17 Thread Adrian Farrel
PCEP and list out how they are used. Then we can have a starting point for a conversation. Cheers, Adrian From: Dhruv Dhody Sent: 17 March 2022 05:20 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-vn-associat...@ietf.org; pce-chairs Subject: ASCII in PCEP (WAS - Re: [Pce] WGLC

Re: [Pce] WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-vn-association-05

2022-02-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, Here is my review of draft-ietf-pce-vn-association-05 as part of the WG last call. I think the document is technically ready to proceed, but it needs quite a bit of work to polish the text. After the number of edits I am proposing I feel like I have rewritten the document! My co

Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-koldychev-pce-operational-05.txt

2022-02-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi authors, I really appreciate the work done through interop to better understand protocol specs and revise the protocol. I hope that you are not all talking yourselves into an interop mode that changes the specs because that seems to interoperate, rather than fixing implementations to conform

Re: [Pce] WGLC for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls-16

2022-01-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, It's been a journey for this draft! July 2012 :-) Glad that we are finally in a place to last call it, and excellent to know there is an implementation. Here is my review in support of the last call. You'll see that my minor points are essentially editorial (i.e., not asking to chang

Re: [Pce] Adoption Poll for draft-li-pce-pcep-l2-flowspec

2022-01-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Julien, I'm sorry, I missed the adoption poll (although I saw and responded to Hari's email about IPR). This document is the right way to start documenting how to do a PCEP flowspec for L2 flow identification. Indeed, this mechanism was part of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec but got pulled ou

Re: [Pce] IPR Poll for draft-li-pce-pcep-l2-flowspec

2021-12-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Hari, I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules. Cheers, Adrian From: Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Sent: 16 December 2021 18:24 To: Farrel Adrian ; Dhruv Dhody ; lizhen...@huawei.com Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: IPR Poll

Re: [Pce] draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls next steps!

2021-08-27 Thread Adrian Farrel
clear. Many Thanks! Gyan On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 10:30 AM Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > wrote: Yes, thanks, Gyan. I think you have captured it all, although some of the behaviours are “hidden” in assumptions in the text. That is: * A PCEP speaker that

Re: [Pce] draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls next steps!

2021-08-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
, 2021 at 2:40 PM Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk> > wrote: Hi Gyan, I am very much in favour of positioning this work as Experimental. It is important (as with all IETF Experiments) to capture: - What stops this extension “escaping" in the Internet? -

Re: [Pce] draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls next steps!

2021-07-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
loyed equipment? - How will you judge the success or failure of the experiment, and when? - What follow-up to the experiment do you propose? Best, Adrian From: Gyan Mishra Sent: 05 July 2021 07:43 To: Adrian Farrel ; Dhruv Dhody ; draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep...@ietf.org

Re: [Pce] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-07 (and Code Point Allocation)

2021-03-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Cheng! This is good progress, thanks. I have cut down to the points that are still open. Nothing we need to fight about 😊 Best, Adrian >> == Questions / Issues == >> >> 3. >> >> o BT = 0: The binding value is an MPLS label carried in the format >> specified in [RFC5462] where only t

Re: [Pce] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid-07 (and Code Point Allocation)

2021-03-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Julien, WG, authors. Code point allocation: Is the request for all of the code points in the document? What about the not-yet-allocated code point from [I-D.ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller]. This spec can't be implemented without it. WG last call: I have a few questions/issues/nits

Re: [Pce] Adoption of draft-xiong-pce-lsp-flag-03

2021-02-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
ding-label-sid-06#section-11.2 Note it's also reused in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-sr-path-segment-03#section-4.2 Have a nice week-end, Julien On 18/02/2021 16:57, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Thanks to the authors for cleaning this up a lot since last time. > > I don't

Re: [Pce] Adoption of draft-xiong-pce-lsp-flag-03

2021-02-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks to the authors for cleaning this up a lot since last time. I don't object to adoption. Would be nice to have evidence of someone needing a bit now, but by the time this becomes an RFC it is reasonably possible. Adrian -Original Message- From: Pce On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: 01

Re: [Pce] WG adoption poll for draft-dugeon-pce-stateful-interdomain-04

2020-12-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I've reviewed this draft and I think it is ready for adoption because the functionality (i.e., stitching segments without inter-domain signaling which means that path-key cannot be used) is valuable. There are a number of editorial comments below. I think they do not need to be addressed bef

Re: [Pce] IPR Poll on draft-zhao-pce-pcep-extension-pce-controller-sr-09

2020-12-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, As a contributor, I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft that should be disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules. Thanks, Adrian From: Pce On Behalf Of Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Sent: 26 November 2020 22:58 To: lizhen...@huawei.com; pengshup...@huawei.com; Mahend N

Re: [Pce] Adoption of draft-zhao-pce-pcep-extension-pce-controller-sr-09?

2020-12-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hello all, I was a contributor to some of the earlier versions of this document and am listed as such (although I don't think I work for Juniper any more). I think the document is in a good enough state for adoption. Post-adoption there are some things that could benefit from work... - I worry

Re: [Pce] [Bier] PCE Controller & SDN Controller & Netconf/Yang NMS Controller - lines blurred and can the names be used ubiquitously meaning the same

2020-11-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi again Gyan, I think we’re narrowing down and getting somewhat esoteric for the mailing lists we’re spamming. > Similarly other use cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being able > to provision TS and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource information > and leveraging BGP-LS

Re: [Pce] [Bier] PCE Controller & SDN Controller & Netconf/Yang NMS Controller - lines blurred and can the names be used ubiquitously meaning the same

2020-11-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Gyan, Sorry, I missed this (got caught on a filter cos it was a bit spammed to a lot of lists :-). > I have noticed that after reviewing many drafts across many WGs it seems in > the > industry that the lines seem to be blurred between a PCE controller, ODL or > Openflow SDN Controll

[Pce] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-11.txt

2020-10-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element WG of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extension for Flow Specification Authors : Dhruv Dhody Adrian Farrel Zhenbin Li Filename: draft-ietf-pce-

Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-07.txt

2020-09-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Just to repeat what I said when Shuping proposed the changes... This revision addresses all the points in my review. Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: Pce On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: 02 September 2020 03:37 To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-

Re: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with DISCUSS)

2020-08-27 Thread Adrian Farrel
ssage- From: Alvaro Retana Sent: 26 August 2020 23:20 To: adr...@olddog.co.uk; The IESG Cc: pce-cha...@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org; Julien Meuric ; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flows...@ietf.org Subject: RE: Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with DISCUSS) On August 26, 2020 a

Re: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-08-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
yet the scissors are sharp and they enjoy running. You paragraph of suggestions of pointers of how/when to do AND and OR is a reasonable starting point. But surely it is something that belongs in 5575bis? Cheers, Adrian On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:51:52PM +0100, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Ben, &

Re: [Pce] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-08-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
c' Subject: RE: Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT) Hi Adrian! > -Original Message- > From: Adrian Farrel > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 5:09 PM > To: Roman Danyliw ; 'The IESG' > Cc: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-fl

Re: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with DISCUSS)

2020-08-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Alvaro, Responding to your Discuss separately from your Comment to get you an answer before the telechat. > DISCUSS: > > §8.7: "it is possible that Flow Specifications will be distributed by BGP as > well as by PCEP as described in this document...implementations MAY provide a > configuration

Re: [Pce] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-08-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Roman, > COMMENT: > > ** Section 12. To refine what Ben Kaduk noted about the applicability of > [RFC6952], Section 2.5 seems to apply for me. Yes, that it the relevant section, and I've added an explicit section pointer. > ** Section 12. Per “Therefore, implementations or deployments conce

Re: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-08-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Ben, Thanks for the review. A lot of very helpful comments and discussions. All answers in line. I have a working copy with the edits (hint to co-authors: *I* have the working copy :-) Best, Adrian > DISCUSS: > > As with the others, I also found this document to be quite easy to > read and w

Re: [Pce] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-08-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks again Erik, Processing the details now... > [ section 2 ] > > * "a flag is provided to indicate that the sender of a PCEP message > that includes a Flow Specification is intended to be installed as > a Longest Prefix Match route, or..." > > This didn't scan too well for me. It seems th

Re: [Pce] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-08-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks, Martin. > Sec 5. Specify the error if more than 1 TLV of any type is present. Yes. Both TLVs earn the text... If more than one instance of this TLV is present, the first MUST be processed and subsequence instances MUST be ignored. > Sec 7. The text is incomplete for the

Re: [Pce] Erik Kline's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-08-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Nice collection of nits, Erik. Thanks. Will attend to them when the next version comes out. Best, Adrian -Original Message- From: Erik Kline via Datatracker Sent: 23 August 2020 02:28 To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flows...@ietf.org; pce-cha...@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org; Julien Me

Re: [Pce] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-10: (with COMMENT)

2020-08-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Eric, Yes, that's a good catch. Embarrassed that is sneaked through. I now have The Value field MUST be set to 0 and MUST be ignored on receipt. in my working copy. Best, Adrian -Original Message- From: Éric Vyncke via Datatracker Sent: 18 August 2020 11:14 To: The IESG Cc:

Re: [Pce] PCE WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller

2020-08-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
n-for-pce-controller-07.txt We have also updated Chao Zhou's email address in the draft. Thank you! Best regards, Shuping > -Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 12:15 AM > To: julien.meu...@orange.com; pce

[Pce] Additional point: PCE WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller

2020-08-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Looks like you need to update Chao Zhou's email address in the draft. Adrian -Original Message- From: Pce On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 16 August 2020 17:15 To: julien.meu...@orange.com; pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-control...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce

Re: [Pce] PCE WG LC for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller

2020-08-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Julien, WG, authors, I'm listed as one of the eight Contributors to this document, although my affiliation should read "Old Dog Consulting". I was a co-author of RFC 8283, so I am generally glad to see protocol work addressing this space. This document is almost ready to progress, but there a

Re: [Pce] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec-09

2020-07-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks for taking time to so the review, Roni. Best, Adrian -Original Message- From: Roni Even via Datatracker Sent: 03 July 2020 08:08 To: gen-...@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec@ietf.org Subject: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-pce-

Re: [Pce] A discussion point for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec

2020-03-04 Thread Adrian Farrel
avan Beeram Sent: 13 January 2020 12:23 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flows...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] A discussion point for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec Adrian, Hi! Please see inline.. Regards, -Pavan On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:32 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: &

Re: [Pce] Adoption of draft-li-pce-sr-bidir-path-06?

2020-02-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Rakesh, It seems to me that associating an SR path in one direction with an RSVP-TE path in the other direction is *possible* but seems unlikely in the extreme. I would not want to take an action that made it impossible to add this feature should someone come up with a pressing desire

Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-01.txt

2020-01-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
. Title : Updated Rules for Processing Stateful PCE Request Parameters Flags Author : Adrian Farrel Filename: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-01.txt Pages : 7 Date: 2020-01-23 Abstract: Extensions to the Path

Re: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-00: (with COMMENT)

2020-01-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
>> Every review comment deserves a response. > > You're too kind! Never knowingly 😉 > Both proposed changes look good to me :) Great, thanks. They are in the buffer. A ___ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce

Re: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's Comments on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-00: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-01-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi again Alvaro A separate thread for your Comments (since your Discuss was so juicy!) > (1) Compatibility > > The compatibility issue described at the end of §4 could result in all types > of > unforeseen errors or more serious issues; even considering just the one flag > defined in rfc8281: th

Re: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-00: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-01-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hello Alvaro, Thanks for this Discuss. I think you found a hole in draft-ietf-pce-lsp-control-request. It doesn't look like a big hole because if you tried to apply both the C and the R flag, presumably the R flag would get executed making the C flag irrelevant. But I agree that the clarity of

Re: [Pce] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-flags-00: (with COMMENT)

2020-01-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
> Thanks for this clear and well-written document! I just have a couple > of editorial comments that probably don't even need a response. Thanks for reading, Ben. Every review comment deserves a response. > Section 4 > > There will remain an issue with compatibility between implementations >

Re: [Pce] Adoption of draft-li-pce-sr-bidir-path-06?

2020-01-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Julien, WG, I have reviewed draft-li-pce-sr-bidir-path as part of the adoption poll and I have a few comments below. Overall, this seems like a simple combination of two existing functions: - associated bidirectional - SR So it should be straightforward and the function is clearly needed, and

Re: [Pce] A discussion point for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec

2020-01-10 Thread Adrian Farrel
it wants to describe what traffic to associate with a path. Like you, I would like to hear more from the working group. Cheers, Adrian From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Sent: 10 January 2020 05:45 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flows...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] A

[Pce] A discussion point for draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec

2020-01-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi WG, I received a couple of private emails about draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec. Since they were private, I will try to be circumspect about who they were from. The sender asked to have a flag attached to a flow specification that indicates that it can be installed as a static route and thus not

Re: [Pce] Shepherd Review of draft-ietf-pce-pcep-flowspec

2020-01-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Julien, Long ago you sent your review. Comments in line. At the same time, we see that IDR has basically completed work on draft-ietf-idr-rfc5575bis and we think we should update this document to use that as a reference instead of RFC 5575 and RFC 7674. Finally, someone contacted us private

[Pce] Shepherd review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling

2020-01-04 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi authors, Just doing the shepherd write-up after working group last call and I have a nit in section 10.3 You ask for a new registry of bits, but you don't tell IANA the size of the registry. I think, to be consistent with (e.g.) https://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xhtml#stateful-pce-ca

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