Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-08 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 07:22:47PM +0200, Rasto Levrinc wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Lars Ellenberg > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 05:15:04PM +0200, Rasto Levrinc wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > >> > On 2012-06-05T09:43:09, Andrew Beekhof

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-06 Thread Rasto Levrinc
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Lars Ellenberg wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 05:15:04PM +0200, Rasto Levrinc wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: >> > On 2012-06-05T09:43:09, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >> > >> >> Every argument made so far applies equally to HAWK and

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-06 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 05:15:04PM +0200, Rasto Levrinc wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > > On 2012-06-05T09:43:09, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > > >> Every argument made so far applies equally to HAWK and the Linbit GUI, > >> yet there was no outcry when they were

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-05 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2012-06-05T09:43:09, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > >> > (When we're talking about Pacemaker (versus the crm), it is obvious that >> > that wasn't really a technology-driven move.) >> With the implication being that technology

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-05 Thread Rasto Levrinc
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2012-06-05T09:43:09, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > >> Every argument made so far applies equally to HAWK and the Linbit GUI, >> yet there was no outcry when they were announced. > > No, like I said above, that did suck - but the architectur

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-05 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2012-06-05T09:43:09, Andrew Beekhof wrote: Hi Andrew, > > (When we're talking about Pacemaker (versus the crm), it is obvious that > > that wasn't really a technology-driven move.) > With the implication being that technology-driven moves are bad? > How do you explain HAWK then? Shouldn't Tim

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-05 Thread Florian Haas
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: >> On 2012-06-04T11:21:57, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >> >> Hi Andrew, >> >> I am getting a slightly defensive-to-aggressive vibe from your response >> to Florian. Can we tune that down?

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-05 Thread Florian Haas
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Florian Haas wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Chris Feist wrote: >>> I'd like to announce the existence of the "Pacemaker/Corosync configuration >>> system", PCS. >> >> Be warned, I will surely catc

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-05 Thread Florian Haas
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > I am getting a slightly defensive-to-aggressive vibe from your response > to Florian. Can we tune that down? I much prefer to do the shouting at > each other in person, because then the gestures come across much more > vividly and the foo

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-04 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2012-06-04T11:21:57, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > I am getting a slightly defensive-to-aggressive vibe from your response > to Florian. Can we tune that down? I much prefer to do the shouting at > each other in person, bec

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-04 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Dejan Muhamedagic wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:21:57AM +1000, Andrew Beekhof wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Florian Haas wrote: > [...] > > Since Lars MB already replied to most of in between... > >> > Assuming that this effort means you'

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-04 Thread Chris Feist
On 06/01/12 09:56, Florian Haas wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Chris Feist wrote: I'd like to announce the existence of the "Pacemaker/Corosync configuration system", PCS. Be warned, I will surely catch flak for what I'm about to say. Nothing of this should be understood in a personal

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-04 Thread Dejan Muhamedagic
Hi, On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 11:21:57AM +1000, Andrew Beekhof wrote: > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Florian Haas wrote: [...] Since Lars MB already replied to most of in between... > > Assuming that this effort means you're planning to kick the existing > > crm shell out of Fedora, I think t

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-04 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2012-06-04T11:21:57, Andrew Beekhof wrote: Hi Andrew, I am getting a slightly defensive-to-aggressive vibe from your response to Florian. Can we tune that down? I much prefer to do the shouting at each other in person, because then the gestures come across much more vividly and the food is be

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-04 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2012-05-31T18:40:19, Chris Feist wrote: Hi Chris, this is certainly a very interesting undertaking. Like Florian, I am a bit worried about how exactly this differs from the crm shell we already have - that is not to say I'm opposed to it, but I'd like to understand this better, given that we

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-03 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Florian Haas wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Chris Feist wrote: >> I'd like to announce the existence of the "Pacemaker/Corosync configuration >> system", PCS. > > Be warned, I will surely catch flak for what I'm about to say. Nothing > of this should be

Re: [Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-06-01 Thread Florian Haas
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Chris Feist wrote: > I'd like to announce the existence of the "Pacemaker/Corosync configuration > system", PCS. Be warned, I will surely catch flak for what I'm about to say. Nothing of this should be understood in a personal way; my critique is about the work not

[Pacemaker] Announce: pcs / pcs-gui (Pacemaker/Corosync Configuration System)

2012-05-31 Thread Chris Feist
I'd like to announce the existence of the "Pacemaker/Corosync configuration system", PCS. The emphasis in PCS differs somewhat from the existing shell: - Configure the complete cluster (corosync plus pacemaker) from scratch - Emphasis is on modification not display - Avoid XML round-tripping - S