Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread David Sommerseth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/14 21:51, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 08:08:54PM +0100, Jonathan Tripathy wrote: >> I still think the OP has asked a very good question. >> >> Whilst the traffic won't physically go to C (at least for TUN >> networ

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread David Sommerseth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/05/14 22:31, Jason Haar wrote: > The way I look at it (and hopefully I'm correct - I've never used > tap so I haven't tested that), "tun" interfaces are like > traditional physical point-to-point WAN links - and one WAN link > cannot see the traf

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread David Sommerseth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/14 05:05, david wrote: > >> -Original Message- From: Gert Doering >> [mailto:g...@greenie.muc.de] Sent: Monday, 5 May 2014 5:51 AM To: >> Jonathan Tripathy Cc: openvpn-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Openvpn-users] doubt

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > But, that doesn't mean that all kind of attacks will work. Because > OpenVPN does some checks on the packets it receives and forwards. So > there is a chance OpenVPN won't make ARP spoofing work too easily, > compared to swi

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 07:51:23PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > > ARP spoofing might indeed work. So don't use TAP. Don't use TAP > > anyway, unless you have a very strong reason to do so, and this is > > usually along the lines of "I need dynamic routing protocols to > > work across Ope

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread David Sommerseth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/14 20:12, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: >> But, that doesn't mean that all kind of attacks will work. >> Because OpenVPN does some checks on the packets it receives and >> forw

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Andy Wang
-Original Message- Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 07:51:23PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > > ARP spoofing might indeed work. So don't use TAP. Don't use TAP > > anyway, unless you have a very strong reason to do so, and this is > > usually along the lines of "I need dynamic routing pro

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 08:31:19PM +0200, David Sommerseth wrote: > > Which OpenVPN does not do (and neither do most switches, even > > fairly expensive L3 switch stuff). In TAP mode, all it cares about > > is MAC addresses. > > I see ... but if a spoofed packet is sent, wouldn't return pack

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 06:38:35PM +, Andy Wang wrote: > with that in hand, I would consider mac-cert-remoteipandport have a very > strong binding and it is not easy to break it by just ARP spoofing. *ARP* spoofing does not target the "switch" (OpenVPN) but the communication endpoints.

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Andy Wang
-Original Message- From: Gert Doering [mailto:g...@greenie.muc.de] Sent: May-05-14 2:53 PM To: Andy Wang Cc: 'Gert Doering'; openvpn-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 06:38:35PM +, Andy Wang wrote: >

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 07:10:42PM +, Andy Wang wrote: > *ARP* spoofing does not target the "switch" (OpenVPN) but the communication > endpoints. > > You tell A "the mac address for B is C". > > You tell B "the mac address for A is C". > > And both will happily send all their packets f

Re: [Openvpn-users] doubts about possible sniffing

2014-05-05 Thread Jason Haar
There's a lot of good chatter going on about this topic, but at the end of the day all that matters is whether any of this *conjecture* is real or not. Someone actually using TAP mode and interested in this subject should actually *test it* and see what happens In the immortal words of djb: "profi