Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-15 Thread Tomáš Vondra
...@yuggoth.org; openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal It is a sign of the maturity of OpenStack. With lots of deployment and most of them in production, the emphasis is shifting from rapid functionality additions to stab

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread Arkady.Kanevsky
] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:29 PM To: Jeremy Stanley ; openstack-operators@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal I think this is a good opportunity to allow some stress relief to the developer community and offer space for

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread Melvin Hillsman
I think this is a good opportunity to allow some stress relief to the developer community and offer space for more discussions with operators where some operators do not feel like they are bothering/bugging developers. I believe this is the main gain for operators; my personal opinion. In genera

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2017-12-13 22:35:41 +0100 (+0100), Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] > It's not really fait accompli, it's just a proposal up for discussion at > this stage. Which is the reason why I started the thread on -dev -- to > check the sanity of the change from a dev perspective first. If it makes > things h

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread David Medberry
On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > David Medberry wrote: > While it may have desirable side-effects on the ops side (something I'm > not convinced of), the main reason for it is imho to align our rhythm > with our current development pace / developer capabilities. I felt lik

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread Thierry Carrez
David Medberry wrote: > Just saw some of your comments (great, thanks), and I'll weigh in if I > come up with a cogent input. > > I'd really like to see Bloomberg, RAX, and Cirrus7, Huawei, and other > ops folks respond. > > I suspect this is already a fait accompli but there are many details (as

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread Chris Morgan
Since Bloomberg was mentioned, I agree with Thierry's rationale quite a bit. I need to read it more carefully but initial response, gut feel, very positive. When I can I'll a) read carefully b) respond on -dev Chris On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:00 PM, David Medberry wrote: > Just saw some of your

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread David Medberry
Just saw some of your comments (great, thanks), and I'll weigh in if I come up with a cogent input. I'd really like to see Bloomberg, RAX, and Cirrus7, Huawei, and other ops folks respond. I suspect this is already a fait accompli but there are many details (as you mentioned already in one postin

Re: [Openstack-operators] thierry's longer dev cycle proposal

2017-12-13 Thread Sean McGinnis
Would be great to get ops-side input. I didn't want to cross-post because I'm sure this is going to be a big thread and go on for a while. But I would encourage anyone with input to jump in on that thread. We could also discuss it separately here and I can try to answer questions or feed that input