Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Anita Kuno
On 05/11/2016 02:06 PM, Paul Belanger wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 05:51:41PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >> On 2016-05-11 10:04:26 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: >> [...] >>> Before deciding that it's unsurmountable, maybe giving delete >>> permissions to a larger set of contributors might

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-05-11 14:01:37 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: > Well, part of the reason for the wiki over etherpads is that it is > findable in google. [...] Yep, also if we somehow found a way to get them to index our etherpads, those would be overrun with spam in short order. This was the case with t

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Paul Belanger
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 05:51:41PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2016-05-11 10:04:26 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: > [...] > > Before deciding that it's unsurmountable, maybe giving delete > > permissions to a larger set of contributors might be a good idea. > [...] > > I have no objection

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 05/11/2016 01:51 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2016-05-11 10:04:26 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: > [...] >> Before deciding that it's unsurmountable, maybe giving delete >> permissions to a larger set of contributors might be a good idea. > [...] > > I have no objection to granting delete (

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-05-11 10:04:26 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: [...] > Before deciding that it's unsurmountable, maybe giving delete > permissions to a larger set of contributors might be a good idea. [...] I have no objection to granting delete (on non-locked articles) to all users immediately if someon

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Matt Kassawara
>From the perspective of contributing documentation and providing support (mostly in #openstack) to a variety of consumers, the wiki tends to provide yet another location for varying levels of content without a specific audience and questionable relevance due to lack of maintenance. I find a surpri

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thierry Carrez wrote: [...] I'll soon start a thread on that. Since that goes a lot beyond the dev community, I'll post it to the openstack general list and post a pointer to it here. See http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-May/016154.html -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) _

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Sean Dague
On 05/11/2016 05:53 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Tom Fifield wrote: >> On 11/05/16 09:04, Dan Smith wrote: Here it is :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:AncientPages >>> >>> Great, I see at least one I can nuke on the first page. >>> >>> Note that I don't seem to have delete p

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Anita Kuno
On 05/11/2016 05:07 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:59:41PM -0400, Anita Kuno wrote: >> On 05/10/2016 12:48 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > Hmm... that's unfortunate, as we were trying to get some of our less > ephemeral items out of random etherpads and into the wiki (whi

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Tom Fifield wrote: On 11/05/16 09:04, Dan Smith wrote: Here it is :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:AncientPages Great, I see at least one I can nuke on the first page. Note that I don't seem to have delete powers on the wiki. That's surely a first step in letting people maintain th

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-11 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:59:41PM -0400, Anita Kuno wrote: > On 05/10/2016 12:48 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > >>> Hmm... that's unfortunate, as we were trying to get some of our less > >>> ephemeral items out of random etherpads and into the wiki (which has the > >>> value of being google indexed). > >

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Tom Fifield
On 11/05/16 09:04, Dan Smith wrote: Here it is :) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:AncientPages Great, I see at least one I can nuke on the first page. Note that I don't seem to have delete powers on the wiki. That's surely a first step in letting people maintain the relevance of thi

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Dan Smith
> Here it is :) > > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Special:AncientPages Great, I see at least one I can nuke on the first page. Note that I don't seem to have delete powers on the wiki. That's surely a first step in letting people maintain the relevance of things on the wiki. --Dan __

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Tom Fifield
On 11/05/16 02:48, Dan Smith wrote: Hmm... that's unfortunate, as we were trying to get some of our less ephemeral items out of random etherpads and into the wiki (which has the value of being google indexed). Yeah, I'm kinda surprised anyone would consider a wiki-less world. I'm definitely b

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-05-11 08:49:14 +1200 (+1200), Robert Collins wrote: [...] > Ubuntu SSO is **not** Launchpad. Launchpad is just another consumer of > Ubuntu SSO, and it has the 'feature' of forwarding through to Ubuntu > SSO - so we're actually seeing Ubuntu SSO spam accounts :(. [...] Thanks for the corre

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Robert Collins
On 11 May 2016 at 08:27, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > Anyway, to the original point, yes Launchpad is full of compromised > or perhaps freshly created accounts under the control of spammers. Ubuntu SSO is **not** Launchpad. Launchpad is just another consumer of Ubuntu SSO, and it has the 'feature'

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-05-10 20:17:43 + (+), Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > Last I heard, wiki.ubuntu.com has been made read-only for general > users because they're having too hard a time keeping spam under > control (they obviously also use > login.launchpad.net/login.ubuntu.com). I'm trying to create an

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2016-05-10 12:59:41 -0400 (-0400), Anita Kuno wrote: > On 05/10/2016 12:48 PM, Dan Smith wrote: [...] > > I'm somewhat surprised that this is an issue, because I thought > > that the wiki requires an ubuntu login. Are spammers really > > getting ubuntu logins so they can come over and deface our

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Anita Kuno
On 05/10/2016 12:48 PM, Dan Smith wrote: >>> Hmm... that's unfortunate, as we were trying to get some of our less >>> ephemeral items out of random etherpads and into the wiki (which has the >>> value of being google indexed). > > Yeah, I'm kinda surprised anyone would consider a wiki-less world.

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Dan Smith
>> Hmm... that's unfortunate, as we were trying to get some of our less >> ephemeral items out of random etherpads and into the wiki (which has the >> value of being google indexed). Yeah, I'm kinda surprised anyone would consider a wiki-less world. I'm definitely bummed at the thought of losing i

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki

2016-05-10 Thread Joshua Harlow
Thierry Carrez wrote: Sean Dague wrote: On 05/09/2016 06:53 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 05/09/2016 05:45 PM, Robert Collins wrote: IIRC mediawiki provides RSS of changes... maybe just using the wiki more would be a good start, and have zero infra costs? We'd actually like to start using the w

Re: [openstack-dev] Wiki (was: Team blogs)

2016-05-10 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: On 05/09/2016 06:53 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: On 05/09/2016 05:45 PM, Robert Collins wrote: IIRC mediawiki provides RSS of changes... maybe just using the wiki more would be a good start, and have zero infra costs? We'd actually like to start using the wiki less, per the most