Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-20 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 19/03/14 11:00 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Kurt Griffiths wrote: > Kudos to Balaji for working so hard on this. I really appreciate his candid feedback on both frameworks. Indeed, that analysis is very much appreciated.

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread John Dickinson
On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Julien Danjou wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19 2014, Kurt Griffiths wrote: > >> That begs the question, *why* is that unlikely to change? > > Because that project is Swift. If you look at the Swift code, you'll see that swob is not a replacement for either Pecan or Falcon

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Anne Gentle
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > >> Kurt Griffiths wrote: >> > Kudos to Balaji for working so hard on this. I really appreciate his >> candid feedback on both frameworks. >> >> Indeed, that analysis is very muc

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Russell Bryant
On 03/19/2014 01:47 PM, Mike Perez wrote: > On 03/19/2014 08:20 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> As I understand it, all of the integrated projects have looked at Pecan, >> and are anticipating the transition. Most have no reason to create a new >> API version, and therefore build a new API service to a

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Julien Danjou
On Wed, Mar 19 2014, Kurt Griffiths wrote: > That begs the question, *why* is that unlikely to change? Because that project is Swift. -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // http://julien.danjou.info signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Julien Danjou
On Wed, Mar 19 2014, Donald Stufft wrote: > I’m not sure that “number of dependencies” is a useful metric at all tbh. At > the > very least it’s not a very telling metric in the way it was presented in the > review. […] +1000 Seriously, this in itself just discredits any value in this analysi

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Kurt Griffiths
> Only one project is using swob, and it is unlikely that will change. That begs the question, *why* is that unlikely to change? Is it because there are fundamental needs that are not met by Pecan? If I understand the original charter for Oslo, it was to consolidate code already in use by projects

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Mike Perez
On 03/19/2014 08:20 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: As I understand it, all of the integrated projects have looked at Pecan, and are anticipating the transition. Most have no reason to create a new API version, and therefore build a new API service to avoid introducing incompatibilities by rebuilding th

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 19/03/14 11:20 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: My only concern in this case - I'm not sure if this has been discussed or written somewhere - is to define what the boundaries of that divergence are. For instance, and I know this w

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: > On 19/03/14 12:31 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: > >> Kurt Griffiths wrote: >> >>> Kudos to Balaji for working so hard on this. I really appreciate his >>> candid feedback on both frameworks. >>> >> >> Indeed, that analysis is very much appr

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Kurt Griffiths wrote: > > Kudos to Balaji for working so hard on this. I really appreciate his > candid feedback on both frameworks. > > Indeed, that analysis is very much appreciated. > > From the Technical Committee perspective, we put a h

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Kurt Griffiths wrote: > Thierry Carrez wrote: > >> There was historically a lot of deviation, but as we add more projects >> that deviation is becoming more costly. > > I totally understand the benefits of reducing the variance between > projects, and to be sure,

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Kurt Griffiths
Thierry Carrez wrote: > There was historically a lot of deviation, but as we add more projects >that deviation is becoming more costly. I totally understand the benefits of reducing the variance between projects, and to be sure, I am not suggesting we have 10 different libraries to do X. However

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 19/03/14 12:31 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Kurt Griffiths wrote: Kudos to Balaji for working so hard on this. I really appreciate his candid feedback on both frameworks. Indeed, that analysis is very much appreciated. From the Technical Committee perspective, we put a high weight on a fa

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Kurt Griffiths wrote: > Kudos to Balaji for working so hard on this. I really appreciate his candid > feedback on both frameworks. Indeed, that analysis is very much appreciated. >From the Technical Committee perspective, we put a high weight on a factor that was not included in the report resul

Re: [openstack-dev] Pecan Evaluation for Marconi

2014-03-18 Thread Kurt Griffiths
After reviewing the report below, I would recommend that Marconi continue using Falcon for the v1.1 API and then re-evaluate Pecan for v2.0 or possibly look at using swob. I wanted to post my recommendation to the general list, because my request to continue using Falcon speaks to a broader iss