Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-12 Thread Michael Davies
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Pedro Roque Marques < pedro.r.marq...@gmail.com> wrote: > Radomir, > An extra issue that i don't believe you've covered so far is about comment > ownership. I've just read an email on the list that follows a pattern that > i've heard many complaints about: >

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-12 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 11/11/13 23:35, Mark McLoughlin wrote: [...] > I make a habit of leaving comments in reviews - positive, negative, > neutral, whatever. If I have something to say which might be useful to > the author, other reviewers, my future self, whatever ... then I'll say > it. > > e.g. if I spend 10 mi

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 20:40 -0500, David Ripton wrote: > On 11/07/2013 07:54 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > > On 11/08/2013 01:37 AM, Pedro Roque Marques wrote: > >> Radomir, > >> An extra issue that i don't believe you've covered so far is about comment > >> ownership. I've just read an email on the lis

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 09:32 +1300, Robert Collins wrote: > On 7 November 2013 13:15, Day, Phil wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> Core reviewers look for the /comments/ from people, not just the votes. A > >> +1 from someone that isn't core is meaningless unless they are known to be > >> a thoughtful cod

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Craig Vyvial
Thats really cool. This kinda gets around the fact that gerrit's REST api is not available in the version that is currently deployed. I think this will help me in a tool i was working on to aggregate a view of everything i want in a single location. Thanks! -Craig On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michael Basnight wrote: > On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > >> Not that I know of. I've considered writing my own gerrit front end >> mail service to do just that, because I agree, the curre

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Michael Basnight
> On Nov 11, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Sean Dague wrote: >> Not that I know of. I've considered writing my own gerrit front end >> mail service to do just that, because I agree, the current mail volume >> and granularity is not very good. If I

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-11 Thread Joe Gordon
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Sean Dague wrote: > Not that I know of. I've considered writing my own gerrit front end > mail service to do just that, because I agree, the current mail volume > and granularity is not very good. If I manage to carve time on it, > I'll do it on stackforge. Joe Go

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-09 Thread Sean Dague
Not that I know of. I've considered writing my own gerrit front end mail service to do just that, because I agree, the current mail volume and granularity is not very good. If I manage to carve time on it, I'll do it on stackforge. Joe Gordon took a different approach and wrote a front end client t

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-08 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 07/11/13 18:37, Pedro Roque Marques wrote: [...] > btw: this is not at all exclusive to OpenStack. The issues you have > pointed out exist for instance in code reviews inside company's > proprietary code bases when different teams are involved. I'm yet to > see a perfect solution to the problem

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread David Ripton
On 11/07/2013 07:54 PM, Sean Dague wrote: On 11/08/2013 01:37 AM, Pedro Roque Marques wrote: Radomir, An extra issue that i don't believe you've covered so far is about comment ownership. I've just read an email on the list that follows a pattern that i've heard many complaints about:

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/08/2013 01:37 AM, Pedro Roque Marques wrote: > Radomir, > An extra issue that i don't believe you've covered so far is about comment > ownership. I've just read an email on the list that follows a pattern that > i've heard many complaints about: > -1 with a reasonable comment, submitt

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/07/2013 05:35 PM, Jiri Tomasek wrote: > On 11/07/2013 08:25 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 12:21:38AM +, Day, Phil wrote: Leaving a mark. === You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that since you

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/07/2013 01:56 PM, James Bottomley wrote: > On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 00:21 +, Day, Phil wrote: >>> >>> Leaving a mark. >>> === >>> >>> You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that since >>> you >>> did so much work reviewing it, you should at least find >

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Robert Collins
On 8 November 2013 00:02, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > I created a page on the wiki, > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CodeReviewGuidelines > > I put some initial content there, based on the discussion in this > thread. Please feel free to discuss those points further here, and to > amend that pa

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Robert Collins
On 7 November 2013 13:15, Day, Phil wrote: > > >> >> Core reviewers look for the /comments/ from people, not just the votes. A >> +1 from someone that isn't core is meaningless unless they are known to be >> a thoughtful code reviewer. A -1 with no comment is also bad, because it >> doesn't help

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Pedro Roque Marques
Radomir, An extra issue that i don't believe you've covered so far is about comment ownership. I've just read an email on the list that follows a pattern that i've heard many complaints about: -1 with a reasonable comment, submitter addresses the comment, reviewer never comes back. Revi

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 06/11/13 09:34, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > Hello, > > I'm quite new in the OpenStack project, but I love it already. What is > especially nifty is the automated review system -- I'm really impressed. > I'm coming from a project in which we also did reviews of every change > -- although it was

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 06/11/13 21:23, Eugene Nikanorov wrote: > Hi! > > I would like do disagree with some of the points. > First of all, '-1' mark may have a wrong perception especially among new > contributors. > -1 doesn't mean reviewers don't want your code (which is -2), it means > they either not sure it is g

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Jiri Tomasek
On 11/07/2013 08:25 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 12:21:38AM +, Day, Phil wrote: Leaving a mark. === You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that since you did so much work reviewing it, you should at least find *something* wrong.

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-07 Thread Radomir Dopieralski
On 06/11/13 23:07, Robert Collins wrote: > On 6 November 2013 21:34, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > [...] Firstly, things > like code duplication is a sliding scale, and I think it's ok for a > reviewer to say 'these look similar, give it a go please'. If the > reviewee tries, and it's no good - th

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 12:21:38AM +, Day, Phil wrote: > > > > Leaving a mark. > > === > > > > You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that since > > you > > did so much work reviewing it, you should at least find > > *something* wrong. So you find some n

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread James Bottomley
On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 00:21 +, Day, Phil wrote: > > > > Leaving a mark. > > === > > > > You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that since > > you > > did so much work reviewing it, you should at least find > > *something* wrong. So you find some nitpick

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread David Stanek
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Day, Phil wrote: > > > > Leaving a mark. > > === > > > > You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that > since you > > did so much work reviewing it, you should at least find > > *something* wrong. So you find some nitpick and -1

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Day, Phil
> > Leaving a mark. > === > > You review a change and see that it is mostly fine, but you feel that since > you > did so much work reviewing it, you should at least find > *something* wrong. So you find some nitpick and -1 the change just so that > they know you reviewed it. > > Thi

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Collins [mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net] > Sent: 06 November 2013 22:08 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns > > On 6 November 2013 21:34, Radomir

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 November 2013 21:34, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > Hello, > > I'm quite new in the OpenStack project, but I love it already. What is > especially nifty is the automated review system -- I'm really impressed. > I'm coming from a project in which we also did reviews of every change > -- although

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Eugene Nikanorov
t. > > > > Regards, > > Stanisław Pitucha > > Cloud Services > > Hewlett Packard > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sergey Skripnick [mailto:sskripn...@mirantis.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:50 PM > >

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Ravi Chunduru
find it. > > > > Regards, > > Stanisław Pitucha > > Cloud Services > > Hewlett Packard > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Sergey Skripnick [mailto:sskripn...@mirantis.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:50 PM > >

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Andrew Woodward
ailto:sskripn...@mirantis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:50 PM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns > > > This definitely should be somewhere in wiki or blog and in the bookmarks. > >

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Pitucha, Stanislaw Izaak
-- From: Sergey Skripnick [mailto:sskripn...@mirantis.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:50 PM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns This definitely should be somewhere in wiki or blog and i

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Sergey Skripnick
This definitely should be somewhere in wiki or blog and in the bookmarks. ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Miguel Angel
All the points sound quite reasonable. I agree with Chris, the more reviewers read this, the better will be our review quality. Do we have some kind of reviewing guide?, if we don't this could be an start. -- irc: ajo / mangelajo Miguel Angel Ajo Pelayo +34 636 52 25 69 skype: ajoajoajo 2013/1

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Christopher Armstrong
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Radomir Dopieralski wrote: > Hello, > > I'm quite new in the OpenStack project, but I love it already. What is > especially nifty is the automated review system -- I'm really impressed. > I'm coming from a project in which we also did reviews of every change > -- al

Re: [openstack-dev] Bad review patterns

2013-11-06 Thread Harshad Nakil
+1 Regards -Harshad > On Nov 6, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Radomir Dopieralski > wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm quite new in the OpenStack project, but I love it already. What is > especially nifty is the automated review system -- I'm really impressed. > I'm coming from a project in which we also did revi