And estate owners already took a huge beating over homesteads. We can't
afford another hit by having homesteads be able to be directly leased by
everyone.
I have HUGE sympathy for the original poster. I have eaten fees, given
free tier and so on to people left in a world of hurt by such actions
Oddly I myself tend to only post when there's some kind of drama, as I
don't do a lot of viewer development these days (only the odd patch
when needed if I bother to login at all).
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Sodovan Torok wrote:
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>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Altair Sythos wrote:
>
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Altair Sythos wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:32:22 +0200
> Laurent Bechir wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Argent Stonecutter a écrit :
> > > On 2010-08-29, at 09:37, Laurent Bechir wrote:
>
[snip]
As a (mostly read-only) user of opensource-dev, I'd like to see more
on-to
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:32:22 +0200
Laurent Bechir wrote:
>
>
> Argent Stonecutter a écrit :
> > On 2010-08-29, at 09:37, Laurent Bechir wrote:
> >
> >> > I used to have a premium account once upon a while. Not using
> >> > it really (no land associated to the account) and being short of
>
Argent Stonecutter a écrit :
On 2010-08-29, at 09:37, Laurent Bechir wrote:
> I used to have a premium account once upon a while. Not using it really (no
land associated to the account) and being short of money, I didn't renew. The only
thing that happened is that I'm back as a basic me
On 2010-08-29, at 09:37, Laurent Bechir wrote:
> I used to have a premium account once upon a while. Not using it really (no
> land associated to the account) and being short of money, I didn't renew. The
> only thing that happened is that I'm back as a basic member now. So I don't
> see where i
On 2010-08-29, at 09:37, leliel wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Argent Stonecutter
> wrote:
>> An account in that situation is not *in default* when they skip a payment,
>> because the account payment itself is not made in arrears.
>
> So you're saying a person that doesn't pay their m
On 2010-08-28 8:50, Aleric Inglewood wrote:
> I know this is "off topic", so I'll keep it as short as possible.
What happened was wrong, and regrettable, but it's very much off topic
for this list. Please take it elsewhere.
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Argent Stonecutter
wrote:
> What if the account doesn't own land, or has nothing but the original 512
> square meters in something like a Linden Home?
>
> That's the majority case.
>
> An account in that situation is not *in default* when they skip a payment,
> b
Argent Stonecutter a écrit :
What if the account doesn't own land, or has nothing but the original 512
square meters in something like a Linden Home?
That's the majority case.
An account in that situation is not*in default* when they skip a payment,
because the account payment itself is no
On 2010-08-29, at 04:41, Marc Adored wrote:
> If you check your email less then 1 time every 37 days I don't even
> know why you have a premium account on a game you obviously don't play
> enough to get your monies worth.
There are people who have jobs that take them out of communication for
mont
On 2010-08-29, at 04:24, Marine Kelley wrote:
> At least the land and inventory are not gone, automatically downgrading to
> basic would make the lands be abandoned.
What if the account doesn't own land, or has nothing but the original 512
square meters in something like a Linden Home?
That's
re-opened.
On 2010-08-28, at 23:31, Yoz Grahame wrote:
>
> On 28 August 2010 21:25, Tigro Spottystripes
> wrote:
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> Please read http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-2647
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> Thanks! Resolved.
>
> -- Yoz
>
> _
On 2010-08-28, at 23:08, Yoz Grahame wrote:
> This *was* a serious bug, but fixed over a year ago. Now a premium account in
> default is merely suspended with the ability to fully restore on payment.
A premium account that does not own any land (beyond the basic 512 square
meters) should not be
You guys do realize that linden gives you plenty of warnings and time
AFTER payment is due to "update" your payment information if you do so
happen to forget or a cc expires. it's not like its due on 13th and
bam its off on 13th. You get emails telling you payment failed(a few
of them actually) and
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Marine Kelley wrote:
> The only issue is that the user is ALSO locked out of their SL webpage. To
> me that makes no sense at all, because that's how they could access tickets
> and get some help, or downgrade to basic, or change credit card info (what
> if the or
you can do a restore of
> >> >> your region to the new location. But seems like there are ways to
> make
> >> >> this better if not just let people rent homesteads which to me I
> >> >> believe
> >> >> would be a huge market
ich to me I
>> >> believe
>> >> would be a huge market.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Anyway this whole subject is off topic for this mailing list and
>> >> probably should be on the SL forums.
>> >>
>> >>
On 28 August 2010 21:25, Tigro Spottystripes
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Thanks! Resolved.
-- Yoz
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On 28/8/2010 14:36, Altair Sythos Memo wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:19:57 +0100
> Gareth Nelson wrote:
>
>> That's a serious bug in LL's business model - your account is safer as
>> a basic
f not just let people rent homesteads which to me I believe
> >> would be a huge market.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyway this whole subject is off topic for this mailing list and
> >> probably should be on the SL forums.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> M.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
PM
To: Meadhbh Hamrick
Cc: opensource-dev
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] This is how Linden Lab treats it's
customers...
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Meadhbh Hamrick
wrote:
> but for reasons i never learned, linden never implemented prim
> restrictions for openspace sims. so even thou
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Meadhbh Hamrick wrote:
> but for reasons i never learned, linden never implemented prim
> restrictions for openspace sims. so even though you were only supposed
> to have some small number of prims in an openspace sim, the system let
> you go over that limit. so gu
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:12:17 -0700
Rob Nelson wrote:
> And what venues can we use? The forums are almost as heavily
> moderated as the mailing list, half of the time the blogs don't even
> allow you to comment. I'd like to see a site moderated by a third
> party that won't delete your accou
And what venues can we use? The forums are almost as heavily
moderated as the mailing list, half of the time the blogs don't even
allow you to comment. I'd like to see a site moderated by a third party
that won't delete your account or add a moderation flag to your account
just for talking
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:56:56 -0700
Dahlia Trimble wrote:
> After reading this thread, somehow all my past bad memories from
> being a mainland resident no longer seem quite so bad.
if you don't pay your fee mainland too your account will be
suspended anyway, and deleted ripping away the land if
Can you guys please take the topic elsewhere its hard to catch whats
relevant with everyone discussing this off topic thread. I'm sure
there is a sl-dr...@lists.secondlife.com or similar available for
ranting about customer service and business practices but if I'm not
mistaken this list is for ope
After reading this thread, somehow all my past bad memories from being a
mainland resident no longer seem quite so bad.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Carlo Wood wrote:
> Sorry, but you are ignorant.
>
> A running sim is being paid for. That money is paid to Linden Lab.
> It doesn't matter if
Sorry, but you are ignorant.
A running sim is being paid for. That money is paid to Linden Lab.
It doesn't matter if that money was first paid by a grandmother to
her grandson, then double by gambling in the casino and subsequently
paid to some random stranger on Xstreet who give L$ for it, which
while an actual lab employee like jack is probably the best reference
for this... i can provide a little bit of history. keep in mind that
this relies on some neurons that haven't been exercised in a bit, so i
could have some of the facts wrong.
so back in the day linden created openspace/void sim
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:19:57 +0100
Gareth Nelson wrote:
> That's a serious bug in LL's business model - your account is safer as
> a basic, since a premium account that quits paying means the account
> is deleted (rather than merely downgraded).
nobody is deleted why skip a payment, happened to
d be a huge market.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway this whole subject is off topic for this mailing list and
>> probably should be on the SL forums.
>>
>>
>>
>> M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* opensource-dev-boun...@lists.s
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Aleric Inglewood <
aleric.inglew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So one day I have a home, my own island where I live and
> did built and work on for more than a year. Which is full of
> objects of my dead partner that I can use but not Take Back
> (no help from LInden La
this mailing list and
> probably should be on the SL forums.
>
>
>
> M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com
> [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Foner
> *Sent:* Saturd
:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Joel Foner
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:49 AM
To: Aleric Inglewood
Cc: opensource-dev
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] This is how Linden Lab treats it's
customers...
After being a paying customer for more than a year, renting a h
Quick note... if the $100 a month, if this is rent, is not being paid to
Linden Lab if you're renting. It's paid to another avatar... different
picture... It seems to me the slap in the face is a landlord who does this
to a large number of tenants without notice, actually.
Joel (also going back to
>
>
> After being a paying customer for more than a year, renting a homestead,
> and thus paying Linden Lab ~ USD$ 1000 or so ... they just take the sim
> offline, with no opening to even discuss the matter.
>
> Why? Because of something I did? No. The reason is that Linden
> Lab isn't interested i
On 29/08/2010 1:23 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote:
> and pointing out that LL have no contract with tenants of
> rental regions - tenants of such regions are thus not customers.
True. But a premium account holder is a customer of LL. "And to say well
we dont want you $100 a month because your not a f
One way to fix this "problem" is for LL to enable tenants of
rented-out sims to directly take over payment of tier.
But of course, if any one tenant quits paying, there's still the risk
that the sim tier won't be paid, and I doubt anyone thinks LL should
offer the sim for free.
I did already reply
> It makes
> no sense whatsoever.
It makes some sense. It promotes a reseller market, creating an
economy that otherwise wouldn't exist by requiring a middleman.
I won't say I agree with it, but I don't really consider it something
I need to make a strong decision on.
> Aleric's gripe is that if
You clearly missed the entire point of Aleric's post to this list.
Either it was done deliberately or...
The pure simple fact is that Aleric feels aggrieved, and I feel some
sympathy for him/her on this point,
that due to an entirely elitist business policy he/she now has lost
"his/her" land.
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away your game money, it's not LL's fault that you choose to do busyness
with someone that couldn't be t
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