Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-13 Thread Mike Monkowski
dilly dobbs wrote: > Now we need to get others to come and chat about it and see if we can > come up with a plan. Have a look at VWR-10293 and don't skip all of the closed issues there. Many were closed because of Linden's perception that they had fixed the new user experience when they got

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-13 Thread Robin Cornelius
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:22 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: > Thanks OZ > Now we need to get others to come and chat about it  and see if we can come > up with a plan. The best way is to just put out a general call for a meeting with a set a date and a time. Or possibly 2 to try to accommodate different

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-13 Thread dilly dobbs
Thanks OZ Now we need to get others to come and chat about it and see if we can come up with a plan. I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by Douglas Adams On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) < o...@lindenlab.com> wrote: > On 2010-09-11

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-13 Thread Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)
On 2010-09-11 14:11, Dilly Dobbs wrote: On 9/11/2010 1:05 PM, Robert Martin wrote: On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: We all seem like intelligent adults that could come to an agreement on how to add priority to the issues that we would like to see addressed. And yes i w

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-12 Thread Patnad Babii
aught but im no specialist. -Message d'origine- From: Lance Corrimal Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 12:01 PM To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe) Am Sonntag 12 September 2010 schrieb Altair "Sythos&q

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-12 Thread leliel
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Lance Corrimal wrote: > Am Sonntag 12 September 2010 schrieb Altair "Sythos" Memo: >> > 1.) My computer can't handle it. (This is, by far, the #1 reason >> > people leave SL after trying it, I'm convinced. Maybe as high as >> > 90%!) >> >> this point have no viewer

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-12 Thread Lance Corrimal
Am Sonntag 12 September 2010 schrieb Altair "Sythos" Memo: > > 1.) My computer can't handle it. (This is, by far, the #1 reason > > people leave SL after trying it, I'm convinced. Maybe as high as > > 90%!) > > this point have no viewer side solutions :) actually it has... "do not add more shini

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-12 Thread Sythos
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:26:27 -0500 Bunny Halberd wrote: > 1.) My computer can't handle it. (This is, by far, the #1 reason > people leave SL after trying it, I'm convinced. Maybe as high as 90%!) this point have no viewer side solutions :) > I think a lot of headway could be made if the open s

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-12 Thread Boroondas Gupte
On 09/11/2010 08:11 PM, Tateru Nino wrote: > Well, as far as this mailing list goes, it should largely be kept to > viewer features/changes/improvements. Anything that happens beyond the > viewer is kind of out-of-scope. I think the discussion would be very on-topic on the sl-ux mailing list <

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Ann Otoole
-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe) On 9/11/2010 1:11 PM, Tateru Nino wrote: >Well, as far as this mailing list goes, it should largely be kept to > viewer features/changes/improvements. Anything that happens beyond the > viewer is kind of out-of-scope. > > On

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Qie Niangao
> 3 it would help if we could read the language in use by the viewer and > if the resident could be informed as to what languages are available > in that area (or maybe stick a translator thing in the default newbie > pack??) [...] > -- > Robert L Martin In case it helps, a script can almost always

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Lance Corrimal
Am Samstag 11 September 2010 schrieb Robert Martin: > 3 it would help if we could read the language in use by the viewer > and if the resident could be informed as to what languages are > available in that area (or maybe stick a translator thing in the > default newbie pack??) http://wiki.secondl

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Dilly Dobbs
On 9/11/2010 1:11 PM, Tateru Nino wrote: >Well, as far as this mailing list goes, it should largely be kept to > viewer features/changes/improvements. Anything that happens beyond the > viewer is kind of out-of-scope. > > On 12/09/2010 4:05 AM, Robert Martin wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Dilly Dobbs
On 9/11/2010 1:11 PM, Tateru Nino wrote: >Well, as far as this mailing list goes, it should largely be kept to > viewer features/changes/improvements. Anything that happens beyond the > viewer is kind of out-of-scope. > > On 12/09/2010 4:05 AM, Robert Martin wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Dilly Dobbs
On 9/11/2010 1:05 PM, Robert Martin wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: >> We all seem like intelligent adults that could come to an agreement on how >> to add priority to the issues that we would like to see addressed. And yes >> i work in an Agile dev software shop so

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Tateru Nino
Well, as far as this mailing list goes, it should largely be kept to viewer features/changes/improvements. Anything that happens beyond the viewer is kind of out-of-scope. On 12/09/2010 4:05 AM, Robert Martin wrote: > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: >> We all seem like int

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Robert Martin
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, dilly dobbs wrote: > We all seem like intelligent adults that could come to an agreement on how > to add priority to the issues that we would like to see addressed.  And yes > i work in an Agile dev software shop so im sorry about the lingo. > Opinions, and ideas o

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread dilly dobbs
So, should there be a group formed that could address the concerns that we all seem to have on how to improve the n00b experience in SL? We could have meetings and come up with a general direction to take development. And or make proposals to take to LL even if it was in a forum like the dev mail

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Robert Martin
The things that i see as problems 1 folks seem to more or less "sleepwalk" through the newbie portal so that we folks in Help areas (i stalk NCI Kuula myself) get asked questions that are answered in the newbie portal. 2 folks seem to tp into the area and have no clue where they have arrived at (

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread dilly dobbs
there are also some other concerns, we have people on the grid like the Vampires that pray on n00bs (just an example) and drag them into things that they never intended to be in. Sl is about choices and freedom, i personally see the grid as true freedom of expression. Be it adult or be it RP. T

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread dilly dobbs
See this is what i mean, these are all great ideas, and i think that most of them can be put into practice, we just need to come to some kind of agreement on a plan, and test this plan and make it flexible so it can be changed easily to accommodate the needs that show them selves. Why not try to p

Re: [opensource-dev] Retaining Newbies (Was: The Plan for Snowglobe)

2010-09-11 Thread Bunny Halberd
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Tateru Nino wrote: > When you read various responses to "Hey, have any of you tried this > Second Life thing?" there's usually quite a number of responses from > people who did and gave up. Hardly any of them mention the UI as the > problem that they had with it.