Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-24 Thread Rob Nelson
As an epileptic, let me do say that the viewer has caused "auras" (sort of a buzzing in my head that warns me of an impending seizure) and has caused migraines, particularly due to the GL rendering area getting "squashed" by the sidebar. It's also very disorienting to people. On Wed, 2010-03-24

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-24 Thread Lance Corrimal
It's basically the same as seasickness, or motion sickness in general... you feel sick, because your eyes and your sense of balance tell your brain different things. that's why a cure for seasickness is being in a spot on the boat where you can see the horizon... so that your brain realizes that

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-24 Thread Tateru Nino
Sounds like Virtual Environment Sickness (a perceptual dissonance malady somewhat akin to seasickness). While it affects about 30% of the population from the USAF studies that I've seen, I haven't read anything to suggest that either the SL viewer or LCD monitors affect the overall prevalence of th

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-24 Thread Argent Stonecutter
Not to disagree with the entirety of your rant, but this bit seems completely off the wall. On 2010-03-23, at 21:39, Jonathan Irvin wrote: > Not to be rude, but if people are getting vertigo, epilepsy, etc. > from SL...viewer 2.0 isn't going to make a difference. Viewer 1.23 > would have th

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-23 Thread Maya Remblai
I'm not going to bother trying to educate you about photosensitivity since you clearly don't have it. I'll just suggest you go read the SLU forums and elsewhere, where people with epilepsy and other photosensitvity problems are talking about this. And also suggest you take note of the epilepsy

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Not to be rude, but if people are getting vertigo, epilepsy, etc. from SL...viewer 2.0 isn't going to make a difference. Viewer 1.23 would have the same effect. Maybe not in your coveted sidebar, but it SL in general. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. This is common knowledge. LCD moni

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-23 Thread Miro
[replying back to list] Thanks for the clarifications. :-) Breaking well established norms of UI design (ie the File menu, to repeat one; there are others) makes the whole thing difficult for new users. Why not at least put that menu back - leave the existing file oeprations where they are, bu

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-23 Thread Miro
Good review here of the 2.0 interface: http://zhaewry.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/viewer2-0-beta-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-and-the-odd/ Personally, I find the UI highly unintuitive, plus it breaks decades of well established "rules", like having file operations all in the top menu bar, under "File

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-23 Thread Maya Remblai
People on forums have said they know where such behavior can occur, and avoid those places. Clubs, mainland sandboxes, etc. But you'd have to ask them. At any rate, that's not particularly relevant here. Up until now no one has had any reason to be wary of an LL viewer. But now, someone could

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

2010-03-23 Thread Tigro Spottystripes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Btw, how do those people that have seizure issues deal with the possibility of people having quickly changing particle emitters, suddenly rezzed prims, fast moving big objects etc? On 23/3/2010 16:51, Maya Remblai wrote: > Ok, I was trying to be diplo

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-23 Thread Maya Remblai
Ok, I was trying to be diplomatic, but now I'm going to be frank. It disturbs me that LL is ignoring how dangerous the shifting behavior of the sidebar and the blinking and winking of 2.0 is. Some people have already had or come close to having seizures because of it, and people without epileps

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Irvin
As I've said before, If you don't like it, fix it. The code is there so think up something more useful and do it. Giving an example is a great idea. I use the adobe suite often; however, the Lindens already have spent plenty of money with a design company to get the look that they want. Switchi

[opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-23 Thread tillie
Bryon Ruxton wrote .. > Could you please stop putting everything into that sidebar as the only way > to access stuff. Yah, it's just bad. Have a look at the Adobe Creative Suite UIs. You can hide any single submenu or entry, you can mark each one with one of several colors, you can move around