Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:24:57 -0700, Joe Linden wrote: > It'll be an informal Q&A session, What's the point if problems are not actually *addessed* and if it's just about trying to reassure people without any written warrantee given on LL's side ? > held in voice, at this location: Voice is a no-

Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 32

I skipped over many of the posts recently because I'm very busy but I just wanted to say as far as Emerald goes: We are continuing development and support for Second Life, clarification and details will come as we iron out the details. We are however set and have already made the necessary ch

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

That clear statement is inadmissible by the terms of the TOS §13.3, I'm afraid, which disclaims such as not being a valid part of the agreement. No part of the agreement that is made admissible by §13.3 suggests or implies any commencement date other than immediately. Nor does it permit any explan

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

Of course you can. The ToS presented at login clearly states it becomes effective on 4/30. In the meantime, you continue to use the service under the terms of the prior ToS which doesn't contain the TPV provisions. If one has issues with the prior ToS agreement, and hasn't previously accepted th

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

It is my understanding that it is to be voice. At 09:05 PM 4/8/2010, Frans wrote: >Maybe we could setup a chat bridge? > >So people can comment from the web or opensim. Though that depends >if it is going to be voice or text. > > >-- >Jeroen Frans >Virtual World Technology Specialist. >VesuviusGr

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

Maybe we could setup a chat bridge? So people can comment from the web or opensim. Though that depends if it is going to be voice or text. -- Jeroen Frans Virtual World Technology Specialist. VesuviusGroup.com SL: Frans Charming ___ Policies and (un)s

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

That's the way I read it also. Also, a user's compliance to the TPVP survives the termination of the agreement (per §11.7), so if you've already agreed to the new TOS, you're bound by the TPVP (via §7.8) even if you terminate your agreement before 30 April, so long as you accepted the new TOS at le

Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

Thanks Joe. Unfortunately one can not attend without going inworld and accepting ToS/TPV in the first place. > - Original Message - > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:24:57 -0700 > From: Joe Linden > Subject: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV > next Tuesday (4/13) >

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

Successfully compiled, yet webkit doesn't want to load (yet it loaded fine on the official V2.0 download) Copied over older LL supplied libuuid.so.1 with newer libuuid.so.1.3.0 was all that was needed, so LL just needs to upgrade their prebuilt uuid lib to 1.3+. http://jira.secondlife.com/brow

[opensource-dev] TPV: The status of the Viewer Community

As the commencement date of TPV comes closer I've compiled a list of the known 3rd party viewers and their current status. Please add if I missed anything or there are any news. Viewers stopped development for Secondlife: Imprudence (full) RealXtend (full) Luna (full) Viewers stopped develo

Re: [opensource-dev] Soft body physics

Soft-body would have to be client-side only. There's no way I'd want that much data going across my net connection for every single frame. Neither I nor LL has that kind of collective bandwidth. I don't know if the server just reports a rigid-body collision or if it warns of impending collision

Re: [opensource-dev] Soft body physics

Here is some videos to watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoQh4R1-Vjs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOK1L0Uo8KM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrM973spw0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2zDwzK5Kg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C6LrDzjfRw ...so the ability is there. Dale Mahalko wrote

Re: [opensource-dev] Soft body physics

Can you point to anything in 3D animation that already does this sort of thing? I don't think it exists. The idea sounds reminiscent of an idea I posted on this list a few years ago, wrapping a sculptie mesh around a collection of prims and "deflating" the mesh until its vertices form-fit the prim

[opensource-dev] [Fwd: Re: Another crazy idea... what list for this one?]

Forgot to reply-all. I'm used to lists that reply-to-list as default. --- Begin Message --- Something similar, I'd be keen to have the viewer slide into my desktop as my background, with icons floating over it, whenever I'm not interacting in-world. That way I can stay logged in to my virtual o

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

On 04/08/10 5:40:53 pm, Dzonatas Sol wrote: > Maybe something special about libSM that it needs a specific version of > libuuid, or maybe as Lance suggested, it doesn't use the the LL supplied > versus the system version. FYI. I ran into this last fall. Using the system libuuid (libuuid.so.1.3.0

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

I just tried it again, so now I can confirm there is no difference between a compilation with G++-4.1 or G++-4.4 in relation to this error. Linking CXX executable secondlife-bin /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.3/../../../../lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to `uuid_gener...@uuid_1.0' /usr/lib/g

[opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

Hello, all. I've been reading the ongoing commentary here, on various blogs, irc, and in-world groups about the recently introduced Third Party Viewer Policy and Directory and I'd like to host an "office hour" or informal brown bag to make the conversation a little more synchronous for those who a

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

Here is my notes on how to compile with schroot, so you can make an environment specifically for this compilation: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Dzonatas_Sol/Snowglobe Robert Martin wrote: > As a sidebar to this is the documents on how to compile the viewer > actually current?? > If som

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

I'm having the same problem on opensuse 11.2. until recently it built fine... after some change introduced a script which replaces the prebuilt libs with the systemwide installed ones, it stopped building with exactly that error. why do i even have to have the build script download the prebuilt

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

I got it to compile to the secondlife-bin link stage, but then I got a link error: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to `uuid_gener...@uuid_1.0' /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to `uuid_unparse_lo...@u

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

Just to note: there is a related jira here about such patch: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-505 SNOW-505 is about standalone build instead of the ll downloaded libs. Same error, however. Lynx Linden wrote: > This is a problem with the packaged boost headers - they don't seem to > compil

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

As a sidebar to this is the documents on how to compile the viewer actually current?? If somebody would be willing to walk me through this i could help find out what is correct (note i have Mandriva 2010) -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscri

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

This is a problem with the packaged boost headers - they don't seem to compile on Linux under gcc 4.x. I've attached a patch for the libraries/include/boost/coroutine/detail/{coroutine_impl.hpp,posix_utility.hpp} files that should get you going in the short term. Ultimately though we should build

[opensource-dev] VNC plugin (was: Another crazy idea... what list for this one?)

On 04/08/2010 07:08 AM, Glen Canaday wrote: > What would the appropriate list for this be? I'm pretty sure it's not > this one, > MediaAPI , probably. Though, before looking just a moment ago, I wasn't even aware that list existed.

Re: [opensource-dev] Can you legally agree to incomprehensible conditions

It's doable if you never merge upstream patches in, but even then you've got quite a mess to clean up. I did the fork thing for a while and found it was very tricky to clean up, my own from-scratch simulator (litesim.py) was way way more stable but lagged behind massively with features. On Thu, Ap

Re: [opensource-dev] Can you legally agree to incomprehensible conditions

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Gareth Nelson wrote: > It's a lot of work to maintain, trust me - anyway, it'd be better to > convince the opensim team to allow viewer developers in. Yep - people seem to end up writing their own simulator from scratch instead as a result. I know that I did[1], an