Re: [opensource-dev] SL 2.0 latest release notes where??

Am Montag 01 März 2010 schrieb Boroondas Gupte: > Robert Martin schrieb: > > Okay who hid the release notes for the latest (as of today) > > SecondLife 2.0 viewer?? > > from the blog > 0/03/01/viewer-2-beta-update>: "Aside from

[opensource-dev] BSD viewer talk from realXtend. Tuesday, 8:30 AM SLT

Tuesday's AW groupies meeting will be held an hour early at 8:30 AM PST at http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/ThorneBridgeTown/156/130/22 We will be hearing from members of the realxtend team about their naali viewer project and other realxtend stuff. Realxtend is an organization creating a

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV & opensim & physics prediction

Being able to distribute physic data about objects in a passive manner has nothing to do with being able to network chat itself in a non-passive manner. Argent Stonecutter wrote: > If you don't mind days round trip for each line of chat. > > On 2010-02-28, at 14:05, Dzonatas Sol wrote: > > >>

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Fwd: Third party viewer policy - RMS's response

-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Stallman Date: Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy To: Gareth Nelson Thought this might be of interest to yourself and the FSF in general, they're essentially claiming "if your view

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-03-01, at 16:50, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > It's their problem and yours really. And not one that apply in this > environment. Yes, that was my point, The analogy doesn't apply. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.s

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > I talked about banning every unknown or unidentified viewer that is not in > the registry should I have a way to detect the viewer agent. Just like I > have the right to restrict an unidentified web agent or telling an Internet > Explorer 6.0

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

It's not a concern that apply in this environment. It would be an issue between the grid and the TPV developers to resolve. Land owners don't control the markup language structure of their 3d environment. On 3/1/10 2:25 PM, "Argent Stonecutter" wrote: > On 2010-03-01, at 16:13, Bryon Ruxton wr

Re: [opensource-dev] SL 2.0 latest release notes where??

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Robert Martin wrote: > Okay who hid the release notes for the latest (as of today) SecondLife > 2.0 viewer?? > > (aka what did they fix and whats newly broken) It's not hidden. There aren't any notes, as there were no changes to our code - just the voice daemon. Th

Re: [opensource-dev] SL 2.0 latest release notes where??

Robert Martin schrieb: > Okay who hid the release notes for the latest (as of today) SecondLife > 2.0 viewer?? from the blog : "Aside from the voice SDK, no additional changes were implemented." The viv

Re: [opensource-dev] SL 2.0 latest release notes where??

Robert Martin schrieb: > Okay who hid the release notes for the latest (as of today) SecondLife > 2.0 viewer?? from the blog : "Aside from the voice SDK, no additional changes were implemented." The viv

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-03-01, at 16:13, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > I talked about banning every unknown or unidentified viewer that is > not in > the registry should I have a way to detect the viewer agent. Just > like I > have the right to restrict an unidentified web agent or telling an > Internet > Explorer 6

[opensource-dev] SL 2.0 latest release notes where??

Okay who hid the release notes for the latest (as of today) SecondLife 2.0 viewer?? (aka what did they fix and whats newly broken) -- Robert L Martin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Carlo, I talked about banning every unknown or unidentified viewer that is not in the registry should I have a way to detect the viewer agent. Just like I have the right to restrict an unidentified web agent or telling an Internet Explorer 6.0 user than I do not support their obsolete browsers fro

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

I have not seen any post from a Linden endorsing (or anything, for that matter) this product. On 03/01/2010 03:37 PM, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > i thought LL had approved the methods used... > > On 1/3/2010 03:25, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Dar

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 i can't see that video because it got copywrong from Vevo and Vevo don't like my country... was that by anychance a rickroll? On 1/3/2010 11:59, Robert Martin wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Lance Corrimal > wrote: > >> set the media url t

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 i thought LL had approved the methods used... On 1/3/2010 03:25, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Tigro Spottystripes > wrote: >> Without proofs that might have just as well have come from the butt of >> Nei

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Lance Corrimal schrieb: > /me snickers > what was the name of this other pseudo virtual world that runs on flash > inside > a browser... > > that should work on a prim, shouldn't it? > ___ > Lively by Google? _

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Just a quick intermezzo to stop confusion... TPV is about Third Party Viewers... LL's viewer (not Snowglobe) will always comply. About prohibited use, I'll assume that there will be something added along, that features present in LL's original viewers are allowed in TPV as well. Like exporting f

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Am Montag, 1. März 2010 16:28:47 schrieb Argent Stonecutter: > > ...and "flash on a prim" isn't going to make the whole grid more > > stable and > > secure either. > > No, I've been arguing that "web on a prim" was a bad idea for some > years now. Yes, I'm enjoying the schadenfreude, thank you ve

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-03-01, at 08:49, Lance Corrimal wrote: > Am Montag, 1. März 2010 15:42:00 schrieb Argent Stonecutter: >> On 2010-02-28, at 21:30, Miro wrote: >>> You might wish to make time to read this (very long) thread, if you >>> have >>> not already: >>> >>> https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/10467

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Am Montag, 1. März 2010 15:59:17 schrieb Robert Martin: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Lance Corrimal > > wrote: > > set the media url to something that is not an url to a video, but the url > > of a script that exploits something in quicktime to gather data about the > > client requesting tha

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Argent Stonecutter wrote: > Then make the policy state that. Right now people are seeing it as > ambiguous. +1 Argent. Joe has provided very clear and totally unambiguous phrasings, LL please use them. While lawyers may thrive on pocket-lining ambiguity which e

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Lance Corrimal wrote: > set the media url to something that is not an url to a video, but the url of a > script that exploits something in quicktime to gather data about the client > requesting that url, and poof you have all kind of cans of worms wide open. > > >

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV & opensim & physics prediction

We DO use Second Life chat, afterall... Argent Stonecutter wrote: > If you don't mind days round trip for each line of chat. > > On 2010-02-28, at 14:05, Dzonatas Sol wrote: > > >> This is perfect then... >> >> [...] ___ Policies and (un)subscri

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Am Montag, 1. März 2010 15:42:00 schrieb Argent Stonecutter: > On 2010-02-28, at 21:30, Miro wrote: > > You might wish to make time to read this (very long) thread, if you > > have > > not already: > > > > https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/10467 > > > > Some research has been done into how the de

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-02-28, at 21:49, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > hm, i didn't thought he did collect IP addresses, but even if the > system > does catch IP addresses (which isn't such a big deal if you keep your > machine safe) an IP address wouldn't be of any help identifying > malicious clients, unless t

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-02-28, at 21:30, Miro wrote: > You might wish to make time to read this (very long) thread, if you > have > not already: > > https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/10467 > > Some research has been done into how the device works. Apparently it > exploits a vulnerability in QuickTime to acce

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-02-28, at 19:36, Joe Linden wrote: > TPV developers may choose to list their viewers in the Directory for > the value of receiving a wider awareness than they may be able to > create themselves, or not. That's entirely up to the developer. > All viewers that connect to the SL grid

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV & opensim & physics prediction

If you don't mind days round trip for each line of chat. On 2010-02-28, at 14:05, Dzonatas Sol wrote: > This is perfect then... > > If you are scheduled to meet in a sim later in the week, then why > worry if all the static objects take a day to download from that sim > through archaic usenet

Re: [opensource-dev] Doxygen For SnowGlobe 2.0

Typo, "schmypo"... thanks for posting it! :) - JB On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) < mag...@matrisync.com> wrote: > Nice. But...erm..."Snowgobe Documentation 2.0"? :-) > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brandon Husbands wrote: > > http://dimentox.com/sg2dox/

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Bzzt. It has changed name recently. But thanks. lol That's because we don't frequent the same people I guess... Fret not though, your Emerald includes RLV actually. Smile, you've been assimilated ! *winks* On 1 mars 2010, at 14:18, Carlo Wood wrote: > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:15:16PM +0

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 02:15:16PM +0100, Marine Kelley wrote: > > > > >If LL makes the agent ID's public, people will soon ban > >*ALL* minor TPV's (being all of them, except maybe emerald, > >because that has already a pretty large userbase) "just in case". > > > Ahem ! Define "minor" TPV please

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

> > If LL makes the agent ID's public, people will soon ban > *ALL* minor TPV's (being all of them, except maybe emerald, > because that has already a pretty large userbase) "just in case". > Ahem ! Define "minor" TPV please. ___ Policies and (un)subscr

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:15:28PM -0500, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) wrote: > There is already at least one viewer developer who is also selling a > product claiming to identify (by some secret proprietary means) > avatars running "bad" viewers and ban them. Scenario: Newbie visits Second

Re: [opensource-dev] Doxygen For SnowGlobe 2.0

Nice. But...erm..."Snowgobe Documentation 2.0"? :-) On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brandon Husbands wrote: > http://dimentox.com/sg2dox/  snowglobe2 doxygen > full zip http://www.dimentox.com/html.zip ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information availa

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 07:55:57PM -0800, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > Of course, I know that Tigro. But just like any web site can detect a > user-agent and block it, I'd like to be able to detect the viewer agent, > (perhaps via llGetAgentInfo) of the avatar getting on my land anyway. > Such would be us

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 06:08:14PM -0800, Joe Linden wrote: > I'll let the text from the policy speak for itself on this question: "You must > not use or provide any functionality that Linden Lab s viewers do not have for > exporting content from Second Life unless the functionality verifies that t

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 05:30:39PM -0800, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > i.e. You either comply AND feature in the "viewer registry". OR ignore it, as > you said and you’d be in breach of the TOS as such: “5.6 You will indemnify > Linden lab from claims arising from breach of this Agreement by you, from you

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Apologies to group as I know that this is off topic but did not want this to go unanswered. I am not the one that discovered the Quicktime link but it was easy to "prove". All you have to do is uninstall Quicktime on a Windows machine and you are invisible even testing with a ripper client that e

Re: [opensource-dev] Is there free images in second life

Rustam Rakhimov schrieb: > Thanks for response. > > But I need image in my Inventory, and I wanna be able to change > properties of that image. > > But images what I have like LIbrary->Photo and Library->textures but > there is no permission about changing properties Drag and drop them from the "Li

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Bryon Ruxton schrieb: > Of course, I know that Tigro. But just like any web site can detect a > user-agent and block it, True, but that's not its purpose. If you use it for blocking, you'll hurt honest clients the most. Can you say VWR-16262 and SNOW-53

[opensource-dev] qtwebkit source out of date, API incompatible with 2.0 code base

Hey everyone, With 2.0 the api for the qtwebkit library has changed again and the current versions available on hg.secondlife.com are significantly out of date again. This means that its not possible to build completely from source or have a totally standalone/64 bit versions like many of us were

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Joe, While we're on the subject of clarifying the text of the policy, I have a question regarding 1. g). Is it really necessary to mandate a version number be presented on the login screen? Or is that wording just assuming every third party viewer is based on Linden GPLed client code? Latif _