Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They (Debian) deliberately apply non portable patches on my software
> > and they did even complain when I rejected to include the patches
> > for the official release _because_ they would break the software.
>
>IMO each one played its role
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> > The Debian people don't port to Solaris but to Linux.
>> >
>> > They even usually apply patches that cause the the software to
>> > fail on any other platform because they don't care about other
>> > platforms.
>>
>> They only care about Linux because it is the only
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> > Did you compile them yourself?
>> >
>> > . or do you just asume that it was simple to compile them
>> > because you did see the binaries made by other people?
>>
>> Of course, I do know how the Debian packaging system works.
>> Otherwise I would remain in silen
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The Debian people don't port to Solaris but to Linux.
> >
> > They even usually apply patches that cause the the software to fail
> > on any other platform because they don't care about other platforms.
>
>They only care about Linux becaus
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> >> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that
>> >> > makes Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built
>> >> > packages. Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the
>> >> > thought and effort that has gone into the Debian system, and
>> >> > a
> >
> > Debian is a well integrated systems, without duplication of
> > software, with a great packaging system, 100% free, with loads of
> > ready to use software, hundreds and hundreds of active developers,
> > dozens of derived distributions, government implantation, etc.. It
> > makes
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Moinak Ghosh wrote:
> Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
> > The main aim of Debian with OpenSolaris is to let people use
> > OpenSolaris in the easiest possible way, at the same time we provide
> > a consistent system with tons and tons for ready to use Free
> > Software.
>
>
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Did you compile them yourself?
> >
> > . or do you just asume that it was simple to compile them
> > because you did see the binaries made by other people?
>
>Of course, I do know how the Debian packaging system works.
>Otherwise I
Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, there are a few problems I see with this. First of all, there's
> been some question on Debian legal on whether or not the CDDL meets
> the Debian Free Software Guidelines, if it doesn't, then it's very
> likely they will have no interest in working
* Theo Schlossnagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050721 13:33]:
>
> What I think would be great is a FreeBSD Ports style package
> orchestration system... And you you type "make package" it drops a:
> PORTname-version.gz in an export directory for administrative
> consumption. The overall system woul
On 7/21/05, Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part
> > of a being in a community means being tactful and polite), but
> > debian encompasses a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't.
> > To be fair, one of
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
> >> It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the most advanced
> >> Free Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make OpenSolaris
> >> join that huge community.
> >>
> >> As long as we continue being apar
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the most advanced
>> Free Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make OpenSolaris
>> join that huge community.
>>
>> As long as we continue being apart, Debian will continue being
>> Linux centric, but we can chan
Joerg Schilling wrote:
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes
>> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages.
>> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and ef
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
> >> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes
> >> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages.
> >> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort
> >> > th
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>It really makes sense to me: Linux has been the most advanced Free
>Software choice. What I'm proposing is to make OpenSolaris join
>that huge community.
>
>As long as we continue being apart, Debian will continue being Linux
>
Theo Schlossnagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Yeah, that exactly what I mean. Debian will bring a huge set of
> >>quality software greatly integrated to OpenSolaris.
> >>
> >
> > Why do you expect that packages that only have been tested on Linux
> > will even compile on Solaris?
>
> B
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes
>> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages.
>> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort
>> > that has gone into the Debian system, and agree with David that
Joerg Schilling wrote:
>>From my understanding Debian people like to run GNU application on
>>top of a given kernel which will create problems with a kernel like
>>Solaris that has different features than Linux.
>
> Replacing vital parts of Solaris with GNU counterparts will not
> work.
Nobody
On Jul 21, 2005, at 7:13 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes
Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages.
Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort
tha
Alvaro Lopez Ortega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > IMHO, it is the systems level thought and integration that makes
> > Debian more than simply a collection of pre-built packages.
> > Obviously, I have been quite impressed by the thought and effort
> > that has gone into the Debian system, and
Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Debian is a well integrated systems, without duplication of
>> software, with a great packaging system, 100% free, with loads of
>> ready to use software, hundreds and hundreds of active developers,
>> dozens of derived distributions, g
John Plocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part of a
> being in a community means being tactful and polite), but debian encompasses
> a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't. To be fair, one of the
> reasons that they don't i
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Debian is a well integrated systems, without duplication of
>> software, with a great packaging system, 100% free, with loads of
>> ready to use software, hundreds and hundreds of active developers,
>> dozens of derived distributions, government implantation, etc..
> As I said, Blastwave isn't even similar to this approach. It has
> lot of problems: libraries duplication, zero system integration,
> etc.
The duplications annoys me too, as does perhaps the fact that it the
"Solaris 8" it uses as a lowest common denominator is a bit long in the
teeth.
John Plocher wrote:
> I'm not sure I would have phrased it in those words (after all, part
> of a being in a community means being tactful and polite), but
> debian encompasses a lot of architectural policy that sfw/csw don't.
> To be fair, one of the reasons that they don't is that they are
> pi
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
>
> As far as I know, there are some Gentoo guys who are trying to do
> something similar. That is also a good approach.
Agree, it is a great approach. Just wanted to point out though, that
there is more than one group doing something similar for (Op
* Approaches like SunFreeware or Blastwave are far far away from
being something like what I'm proposing. It is not the same
league; it is not even the same game. Sorry. :-)
Just out of curiosity, why do you say that (for Blastwave at least)?
I'm not sure I would have phrased
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, David J. Orman wrote:
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:37:21AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why do you say that (for Blastwave at least)?
I would assume due to the specific mentioning of the package
count/size, because blastwave has nowhere near the amount of
I would assume due to the specific mentioning of the package
count/size, because blastwave has nowhere near the amount of packages
as debian (for obvious reasons).
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:37:21AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
>
> > In the meanwhile
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Alvaro Lopez Ortega wrote:
> In the meanwhile, I thought: «I'm sure he would prefer to type
> "apt-get install anjuta" rather than spending all that time trying to
> compile just a dependency of what he really wants to use».
A fine idea. Have you looked at Blastwave.org? Th
Hi all,
===
Yesterday I spent a few hours at night thinking and talking with
friends about OpenSolaris and more specifically trying to answer the
question of "Why I don't use OpenSolaris on my personal laptop?".
I started to think about it because yesterday I saw Chris Hanna - the
ne
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