Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 11:11 am, Matt Ingenthron wrote: > Agreed, and at some level or another, this project will just be > packaging what the community around the given component develops, bug > for bug complete. I suspect users will understand that already, though > it doesn't obviate the need

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Stefan Teleman
On 3/20/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When you say, "So I think we'll be upgrading and patching(once 11 comes out) the web stack on a regular basis.", so you mean the community will need to keep upgrading the package(s)? I'm not sure who "we'll" refers to. In this particular case

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Matt Ingenthron
Alan DuBoff wrote: I'll watch to see what Alec might have to say, but in general this is going to be one very high maintenance package, any way we look at it. We do need the software, it just has a lot of strings attached from any perspective we look at it, unless the software is just left vu

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Eric Boutilier
The sfwnv-discuss list might be a better venue for this discussion. Some of the people subscribed there might not be subscribed here. Eric ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 09:45 am, Matt Ingenthron wrote: > It may also be interesting to see what, if anything, can be done about > reducing privilege sets for this OpenSolaris Apache/PHP stack to at > least reduce the possibility of nefarious activities if (when?) there is > a vulnerability. My

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 06:16 am, Octave Orgeron wrote: > Perl and PHP are often targeted on the internet. It's sad and > unfortunate, but it's the reality of things. When I use to work for a > web hosting company, we'd constantly have to deal with crackers and > script kiddies hijacking customer

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Stefan Teleman wrote: I believe we should also Purify PHP. The problem is that Purify probably won't work on Nevada, but we could build PHP on a release of S10 they support, and it will still catch buffer overflows, ABR/ABW, UMR, stack corruption, double deletion, etc. Sun Studio's dbx check

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Darren J Moffat
Matt Ingenthron wrote: It may also be interesting to see what, if anything, can be done about reducing privilege sets for this OpenSolaris Apache/PHP stack to at least reduce the possibility of nefarious activities if (when?) there is a vulnerability. My colleague Alec Muffet may be able to l

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Octave Orgeron
Hi, I support the idea of adding reduced privs to this stack to help customers reduce the security issues that these tools expose by nature. It's these kind of "value adds" that will differentiate our web stack. Another aspect would be management. It would be nice to a tool to manage a data center

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Matt Ingenthron
Stefan Teleman wrote: (snip...) I believe we should also Purify PHP. The problem is that Purify probably won't work on Nevada, but we could build PHP on a release of S10 they support, and it will still catch buffer overflows, ABR/ABW, UMR, stack corruption, double deletion, etc. We could the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-20 Thread Octave Orgeron
Hi, Perl and PHP are often targeted on the internet. It's sad and unfortunate, but it's the reality of things. When I use to work for a web hosting company, we'd constantly have to deal with crackers and script kiddies hijacking customer websites. In many cases, poorly written perl or php code was

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread Stefan Teleman
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 02:07, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Monday 19 March 2007 07:37 pm, Stefan Teleman wrote: > > http://www.php-security.org/ > > This is scary...I think I'll go get a cold shower...;-) > > I have to wonder, much of the online forum software is written in > PHP, and as such seems to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Monday 19 March 2007 07:37 pm, Stefan Teleman wrote: > http://www.php-security.org/ This is scary...I think I'll go get a cold shower...;-) I have to wonder, much of the online forum software is written in PHP, and as such seems to be vulnerable. How do people deal with sites that are based o

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread Stefan Teleman
On Monday 19 March 2007 13:52, Octave Orgeron wrote: > Hi, > > I think this is a great idea and will help developers and shops > that depend on these tools. Of course the key issue I see is > supportability. A lot of developers like to see the latest and > greatest versions of these tools. However,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread John Mark Walker
Hi, I would like to point out that manageability should be part of any web stack discussion - ask any ops guys who have had to actually deploy this stuff. Managing it usually requires a great deal of customization as current software does a poor job of dealing with it - except for ours, of co

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread Octave Orgeron
Hi, I think this is a great idea and will help developers and shops that depend on these tools. Of course the key issue I see is supportability. A lot of developers like to see the latest and greatest versions of these tools. However, that must be tempered with the requirement of stability and sec

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
+1 from Me. Would be nice to see a Python-based framework included (Django perhaps). Also, the MySQL is a definite requirement. Calling MySQL a shoddy product is pretty nasty and wrong-headed comment. I've got my own gripes about Postgres, but lets just say I'd like to see both included, and folk

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-19 Thread Eric Boutilier
Thanks, Stefan. You have seconds. I'll contact you offline to get you set up. On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Stefan Teleman wrote: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack Summary We would like to create an OpenSolaris project to assume and enhance the community and work originally created in Sun's C

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-17 Thread Eric Boutilier
Steering to OpenSolaris databases mailing-list... http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/databases-discuss/2007-March/thread.html#55 On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:30:59AM -0700, UNIX admin wrote: ditch the MySQL DB as fast as possible and replace it wi

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-16 Thread UNIX admin
> I disagree, put both Mysql and Postgres connectors > in the package. Actually, that's a pretty good idea. Put both in, so those projects that explicitly depend on MySQL have "backward compatibility" and others are free to use PostgreSQL as the backend for future development. This message p

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-16 Thread przemolicc
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:30:59AM -0700, UNIX admin wrote: > ditch the MySQL DB as fast as possible and replace it with PostgreSQL. > MySQL DB is an extremely shoddy product, besides, PostgreSQL is much easier > to deploy and use. PostgreSQL is included in standard distribution and I am sure Sun

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-16 Thread Bob Palowoda
> > Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack > > > > Summary > > > > We would like to create an OpenSolaris project to > > assume and enhance > > the community and work originally created in Sun's > > CoolStack project > > as part of the CoolTools project. This project > will > > assume all o

[osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack

2007-03-16 Thread UNIX admin
> Project Proposal: Next Generation Web Stack > > Summary > > We would like to create an OpenSolaris project to > assume and enhance > the community and work originally created in Sun's > CoolStack project > as part of the CoolTools project. This project will > assume all of > the CoolStack comp