ation, rather than worry about having a very broad coverage
(so long, of course, as the "supported" hardware is relatively easy to
obtain).
IllumOS and Solaris currently run on several current-generation
SandyBridge CPUs and chipsets. Taking advantage of the on-chip graphics
in a SB sys
On 5/6/2011 4:24 PM, Jack Patteeuw wrote:
On May 6, 2011 5:39 PM. Erik Trimble wrote:
On 5/6/2011 6:45 AM, Jack Patteeuw wrote:
Is PCI-X downward compatible with PCI ?
Yes. PCI-X cards will fit in 3.3V PCI slots, though (of course), they're
restricted to the PCI bandwidth (33Mhz/3
ically, look at the card
and make sure the seller's docs explicitly say SPARC Solaris, not just
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As horrible as it sounds, #2 is likely the cheapest option.
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der (or something like that). Change the order
to have any "removable" or similar type device boot AFTER the first
internal disk. It will then pick up GRUB on the internal disk, and you
can adjust GRUB to boot Win7 via editing /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst when
booted to S11.
Of cours
ot;magically" convert it to some other. They do this independent of any
OS or outside control, and thus, don't need a driver. Bridges don't
alter the information content of the signal, but do alter the protocol
being used - they act as super-translators.
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which features are in which CPU is completely non-obvious. And, for
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> On 2/25/2011 1:23 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote:
> > Regarding i7 uses too much power, and i5 is better - i5 doesnt suit my
> > needs. I want plenty of CPU power when I need to and it does not matter if
> > the cpu sucks
or this support (whenever it shows up); it's unlikely to be made
available to the IllumOS/OpenIndiana folks. So, you'll either (a) have
to buy a support contract for your PC to get it ($1000 or so), or (b)
wait for the next release of Solaris 11 Express (maybe 6 months or more?)
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to a
45W SandyBridge w/ DDR3, under most load situations.
The sad fact right now is that the integrated video of the SandyBridge
isn't supported. It may very well be, but that's a complete unknown, and
it *won't* be made known UNTIL Oracle decides to actually ship it the
ne
$85
(http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1879)
It's better supported under Solaris now, and should fit your needs easily.
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I highly doubt Intel will do this. There's no technical reason not to, but it's
a product-line differentiator for them.
Have a look& note that these are mobile procs, not "desktop" procs.
On 2/22/2011 8:28 AM, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
On 02/22/11 07:47 AM, Erik Trimble wrote:
If you care about 3D, don't use the Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer on-die GPUs. Get
a add-in graphics card. They're better supported all around. Both AMD and
(particularly) Nvidia have good Solaris d
nymore, and even their Solaris OEM agreements with people
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that a i7 and a Xeon 5xxx are effectively identical CPUs (even
today), except for the fact that the Xeons have an ECC-enabled Memory
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All this is a side effect of moving the memory controller into the CPU
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r/or requirement, while AMD can do both).
For Socket AM3 motherboards, you want unbuffered, non-registered ECC.
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kimp - get it. DDR3-1333 is fine,
though you might have to use DDR3-1066 for your motherboard when doing
ECC. Check your MB manual. Either way, you won't notice the difference.
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> On 01/13/11 02:33 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
> > Erik Trimble
> > writes:
> >
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Thanks for such a nice overview and lots of bits of informative detail
> > from your experien
d motherboards. Ideally, you'd want an Athlon II or Phenom
II, but an older Athlon64 X2 is find, too. If they've got 4 DIMM
sockets, they'll support 8GB or more of RAM. Get the AMD systems, since
you *REALLY* should use ECC RAM in your system, which all AMD systems
support, but only I
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Kent Watsen wrote:
* if xvm Dom0 is in Solaris 11 Express, does that imply that
it will
also be in Solaris 11?
No, we are still working through
=view
:-)
Of course, there does appear to be specific direction as to the future
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On 10/29/2010 7:04 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote:
AIX is soon dead, according to IBM executives. That is the reason there are not
too many great AIX people around.
Nah, I haven't seen any pronouncements o
system OS).
Anyhow, the point here was that if you want your OS to remain relevant
for anything other than a tiny niche market, you need to get it in front
of the young. Otherwise, the only way they'll learn it is via
happenstance, and that's not a good way to grow a business.
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strictions.
(c) If (and ONLY IF) you have a battery-backed NVRAM cache on the Raid
Controller, this can provide a significant performance boost over a
plain HBA. This cache can be used even if you don't use the HW Raid
functionality. If you have a cache, but no battery, then I'd really not
re
ide of features/performance, and
SQLite was easier to use and (IMHO) better at lower-end stuff...
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any of the Engineers.
This is a change from the old Sun mailing lists. Nowadays, you're not
going to get any definitive answers to ANY non-technical question here.
That's the new Oracle Way.
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>
> But whatever dude. Hang tight to those eight year old articles.
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lists, and onto the IllumOS ones.
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e been very explicit in stating the
fact that a major goal of IllumOS is to continue with standards
compliance. Keeping IllumOS strictly standards-compliant is one big way
to differentiate it from Linux and the *BSDs.
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her the T3 or the A2 will
actually be available.
The real question for the A2 is how it performs in each of the possible
categories: IP/ethernet routing, crypto, general-use Integer, and
general-use FP, plus any special use (i.e. SSE-style) FP. I have yet
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ork in the SB2500.
Mechanically, yes, but they lack the OpenBoot PROM support.
Also, with the removal of the Xsun driver from OpenSolaris, there are no
drivers for most SPARC graphics cards.
Graphics on SPARC is hard under OpenSolaris.
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There is something to this effect in progress - stay
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GSoC is a great idea to pursue next year.
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closed binary plugs.
Think of IllumOS as the distro-builder's base. A full Distro still
should be built on top of IllumOS - things like which packaging system,
filesystem layout, GNOME/KDE/etc, are properly part of a full Distro,
and not IllumOS.
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his being Oracle and all, all prices are subject to intense
negotiation - what you see as the price is not necessarily what you pay.
Though it might be. :-)
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s" are done for
reasons other than growth, or are bungled badly. Time will tell if the
rather pittance Oracle paid for Sun will prove to be well-spent.
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get it here" and
point to the various repos (which, as John indicated, can be a
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needed for a
successful OS project. Sponsorship in the form of funding some
developers is really nice, but not necessary. What *is* critical is
leadership with a clear vision and the consensus of the developer base.
That can come from a myriad of places. c.f. any of the *BSD distros.
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to announce that we now offer the
highest horsepower engine available in the full-size pickup category."
Oil company stocks rose on the announcement.
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S. In this manner,
IllumOS will end up very much like the Linux kernel - it's only ever
going to be available under a single license (there can't be
multi-licensed types). It's too bad, but it's also not by any means a
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be put into IllumOS.
Oh, and a side remark - I think it would make a bit more of a
pronounceable name if we used "IlluminOS" (note the extra "in").
Also, the word is cool and appropriate.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.
, you can buy tuning support, you can buy premium bugfix
support, etc.
I don't think I can say more than that without delving into confidential
material, but I think it's safe to verify that we're definitely a
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diary, responsible for paying its own way.
You'd see Solaris make lots of interesting product/marketing decisions
and far more cash than I think Oracle is going to make with what they're
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ious". I'm sure we can come up with a
real bunch of interesting names, but being *serious* isn't relevant.
Irreverent, maybe. :-)
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Erik Trimble wrote:
On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" and "I am
a Mac"
- iOS ? (
something like OLTP).
And, as always, I do not speak for Oracle, not do I have non-public
knowledge about any Oracle product, business practice, or policy.
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Or, maybe TOTOS (The One True OS).
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out of the disks, as they're only
being infrequently touched. This is good. :-)
Also, I'm assuming you mean 'zpool iostat -v', right?
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messages,
it's difficult or impossible for readers to know what you're
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e it" kind of
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resources. You can
cover a whole lot of systems for the price of one Sr. Sysadm out here.
Even at Oracle's rather steep prices.
I *did* like the DEC field circus folks. Watching them swap out
components (well, that didn't work, let's try this one!) was always a
blast...
just overwrite the label like this:
dd if=/dev/zero count=10 bs=512 of=/dev/rdsk/Xp0
where X = the disk you want to install to (e.g. c0t0d0 or c0d0 or
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g we all consider better than the current situation, but I'd be
a big fat liar if I told you that I had even a small clue as to what
that change would be...
Sadly, I don't think anyone in the needed Sales/Management chains reads
these forums much.
As should be obvious by the
ally
the Oracle policy (as if there was Just One Policy). But it seems to sum
up the thinking rather well.
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to the word
"OpenSolaris".
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has been publicly stated. All statements are my own, and do not reflect
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cess.
I would also strongly recommend reading most of the Solaris Systems
Administration collection.
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16?l=en
In general, Solaris has extremely good on-line documentation. Please
avail yourself of it.
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Go back and read the posts earlier this year about OpenSolaris and its
relationship to Solaris 10.
OpenSolaris isn't going away.
Where do you think all the new features of Solaris come from?
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> Well, you don't make money my shoveling millions into a non-revenue producing
> product (aka OpenSolaris).
Careful with that assumption ("non-revenue-producing"). You know what
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Hi Erik,
Thanks a whole lot for taking time to post your thoughts. Different people
will react differently. I am sure you are aware that the
st. No harm, no foul.
(speaking of foul [play], oh boy, did you see the acting job that got
Kaka ejected during Brasil/Ivory Coast?)
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You are right though, in that I think we're talking past eachother at
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server OS. RHEL, SLES, or possibly Debian, but Ubuntu is doing all the
wrong things to take them seriously as a Server OS.
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Note: I have no inside knowledge about anything in this message. It's my
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roughput" or "implement new
distributed package management tools".
Steal (metaphorically) what we can to try to stay only a few steps
behind Linux, but spend our development efforts on the features that
make OpenSolaris unique, and which will help us dominate the niche we'
urns out
neither is right - while we find more and more usages for true commodity
hardware, we also find that custom hardware retains huge advantages that
make it much more appealing in many settings. Sure, I don't see people
buying a new IBM x-series machine for home server usage. Bu
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goal. What kind of benefit would having OpenSolaris do
these things, rather than Windows or Linux?
There has to be some way to make money. And, I'm not just talking about
money for Oracle (though, that would be a big part). Someone has to pay
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gth is, and spending effort on this kind of
stuff is detrimental to OpenSolaris as a whole.
Especially these days: if you need that functionality, run VirtualBox
with Windows or Linux inside it.
To paraphrase someone far better known than me:
"If you want [Linux|Windows], you know wh
etter try.
The VirtualBox that extra serves is 3.1.8, while the version available
from virtualbox.org is 3.2.4
Are there any plans to update extra repo, or it falls together with
the rest of OpenSolaris freeze
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#x27;s get you an account on this ${Big_Iron}, and..."
*that* is how you get the techno-groupies hooked.
IMHO, making OpenSolaris work reasonably well on standard desktop PCs is
a good idea. Spending a lot of extra developer time on laptops (and
other funky hardware) or jazzing-up t
ndards-aware. Sadly, we still need to make sure all versions are
available, as we're going to be stuck with old stuff for quite some time
now. Maybe by 2020 we can phase out the old Sun utils and just provide
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on whether the code is considered a "joint work" or a
"collective work", and on whether the copyright owners have registered
copyrights or not, and whether or not there is a monetary harm caused to
them by the change. I, like others in this forum, have always thought it
req
nt doesn't currently make any
distinction between Solaris and OpenSolaris as a product (note: I said
PRODUCT, not PROJECT), any more than they make between Solaris 9 and
Solaris 10. Note that "Solaris" (no quantifier as to version) is on
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On 6/7/2010 2:53 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:
Erik Trimble wrote:
In the European Copyright law as well as in the US Copyright law, you need
to have a decsion that get's a majority of the contribution (not from lines
but from Copyright relevant creation) an
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Frankly, this is one of the biggest arguments in favor of assigning
copyright to some single entity for all contributions to a project. It's
what allows multi-licensing of an entire codebase. I
ed in my country on the same date." That it.
Nothing else. Nothing about what being "copyrighted" means.
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gh against you,
especially as there would be no arguable benefit to it.
Or, can someone install the Fluxbox environment onto OpenSolaris?
Sure, download the source and build it. Or check the usual packaging sites to
see if someone has already done that and decided to share it.
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I use bothe zones and xvm guests on the same xvm host (b134).
VritualBox and Xen together aren't a good idea. Either Xen or VB with
Zones is fine.
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g it takes
to start up a zone. I've always just done it at startup time, though I'm
starting to get to the point where I need to dynamically start/stop zone
during runs...
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to hoe for getting people
exposed to your product.
If we can keep (Open)Solaris out there, with an extremely low
barrier-to-entry, we can compete for the Linuxes for mindshare, if not
marketshare. Because, really, Linux is great for a lot of things, but
another thread about this, but some of the threads
with similar questions have turned into semantics, flame wars, FUD, etc, and
all I'd like to see is a least the opinion of a few individuals with some
actual insight on the matter...
Thanks, I appreciate it; stay thristy...
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dity parts, but then you have porting costs... (which is why
Solaris is sooo nice - runs on both commodity hardware AND custom
hardware...)
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and people that value each differently). UNIX "lost"
market segments when it was no longer the performance king, and those
segments didn't care about the other features of UNIX. But x64 has made
little headway in the segments where performance isn't the only metric.
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er it.
Cheers,
-Shawn
Shawn - just change the "hosts" line of /etc/nsswitch.conf to be:
hosts:files dns
That should work just fine as a permanent fix (as well as putting the
IPs you really care about in /etc/hosts).
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laris thereafter, but I'm also hoping that the community
hasn't gone so far down the Chicken Little ("The Sky is Falling! The Sky
is Falling!) hysterical hole that when info is forthcoming, it actually
is absorbed.
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