Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Che Kristo
Just out of curiosity are there defects raised against the issues you've raised here? I have searche3d and can not find them in http://defect.opensolaris.org/ On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:32, paul wrote: > Shawn Walker schrieb: > > Chad Welsh wrote: >> >>> I guess truth does = rude to people who

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-24 Thread R.G. Keen
> Perhaps if you said how many drives you want and > such? It's hard to give good recommendations when we > don't know exactly what you're after. Sorry - I posted in zfs discuss also. What I want is a single- or double-failure tolerant network attached file server. I'm willing to build a system a

Re: [osol-discuss] virtualbox 3.0.12 IPS?

2009-11-24 Thread Alan Steinberg
We hope to have the IPS version up in the next day or so. I don't think you would want to manually download and install the tarballs from the virtualbox.org website, since you would first have to uninstall the IPS version, then uninstall the tarball when you switch back to the IPS version. I wo

[osol-discuss] virtualbox 3.0.12 IPS?

2009-11-24 Thread keithk
Hi: I have not been able to upgrade my virtualbox 3.0.12 because the IPS version has not been made available through the sun extra repository. Is there any way I can do a manual upgrade from my existing IPS package? Thanks, Keith -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [osol-discuss] How to work out where boot process fails

2009-11-24 Thread Chris
Thanks. The console reported "-m" as an invalid option, but you got me looking in the right area. Important changes: - change console from graphics to text - delete line containing splash graphic. Now to try and resolve the actual boot issues. First, the boot archive didn't math (fix with 'boo

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread paul
Shawn Walker schrieb: Chad Welsh wrote: I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that still will sa

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Chad Welsh wrote: I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that still will say that SX:CE is the wa

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
I guess truth does = rude to people who are blind to it and can or will not see the light of it. Most people here will agree that opensloaris has headed down the wrong path, many will not say in public but there are those that have and that still will say that SX:CE is the way of the future and

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Che Kristo
I think its more like when people see rudeness like you've displayed they don't want to help On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 01:27, Chad Welsh wrote: > I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? > Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy drea

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:14:52 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: It has been discussed, but I don't know when or if it might be implemented. Clear, has taken into consideration. As for SUNWgnome-help-viewer, I suspect its a dependency of some package SUNWfirefox depends on and not of SUNWfirefo

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread A.T.
Chad Welsh wrote: Y instead of a linux-solaris bastardization. Great good name for what Solaris is becoming :) Thanks for your fantasy Salut Alex ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:39:22 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: It is "upward" through the dependencies of the package you named. SUNWfirefox is not a dependency of SUNWgnome-help-viewer and is therefore not listed. Bingo. We come closer to what I want(ed) and trying to expre

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:39:22 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: It is "upward" through the dependencies of the package you named. SUNWfirefox is not a dependency of SUNWgnome-help-viewer and is therefore not listed. Bingo. We come closer to what I want(ed) and trying to express/explain with my

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:41:21 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: As I already said, -r does what you said for --upward. Look at the output of 'uninstall -nrv'. I am sure You already mistook only because of my bad explanation. ~%=> pfexec pkg uninstall -nrv SUNWfirefox

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:41:21 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: As I already said, -r does what you said for --upward. Look at the output of 'uninstall -nrv'. I am sure You already mistook only because of my bad explanation. ~%=> pfexec pkg uninstall -nrv SUNWfirefox

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:56:14 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: ... In short, the way the OpenSolaris distribution is currently built pretty much requires SUNWfirefox if you want to use the included GNOME. I understand Your position in this question. My Engli

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:56:14 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: ... In short, the way the OpenSolaris distribution is currently built pretty much requires SUNWfirefox if you want to use the included GNOME. I understand Your position in this question. My English is not enough to

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:08:05 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: Viktor Cemasko wrote: ... --forceForce the (un)install of a package. This was purposefully omitted. Your system couldn't be properly upgraded if this was supported. With sn

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:08:05 +0100, Shawn Walker wrote: Viktor Cemasko wrote: ... --forceForce the (un)install of a package. This was purposefully omitted. Your system couldn't be properly upgraded if this was supported. With snapshot possibility I c

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Viktor Cemasko wrote: Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:55:56 +0100, Erik Trimble wrote: Aside from the sporadic download issues, exactly what else seems wrong with ips? First sorry for my English. I miss some options when (un)install packege(s) like these: -f --force

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Viktor Cemasko
Greetings Erik, On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:55:56 +0100, Erik Trimble wrote: Aside from the sporadic download issues, exactly what else seems wrong with ips? First sorry for my English. I miss some options when (un)install packege(s) like these: -f --force Force the

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Unlike some, I find IPS to be usable, but that doesn't change the fact that it was lunacy to implement a packaging system in an interpreted language. [url=http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell]Haskell[/url] would have been a much better choice. The [url=http://xmonad.org/]Xmonad window mana

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Brent Jones
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Chad Welsh wrote: > I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? > Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream > world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true heavy > metal hit

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Erik Trimble
Tomas Bodzar wrote: It works, but it doesn't mean that it works well. Don't know why Sun decided to reinvent wheel (the most stupid idea in Unix world opposite to K.I.S.S.). There is pkgsrc available for Solaris or there are packaging systems from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, ... with good licence. Be

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Chad Welsh [2009-11-24 04:58]: > I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when > using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? There is no limit imposed, either by the client or the server. > If I try to install large packages like Openoffice, Java 7 ru

Re: [osol-discuss] netperf not working in snv_127 ?

2009-11-24 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Haiou Fu (Kevin) [2009-11-20 15:50]: > You nailed it, it is an x86 version, while I am on SPARC: > > r...@osol:/# file /usr/bin/netperf > /usr/bin/netperf: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1 [FPU], > dynamically linked, not stripped > > The question is: > (2) Why IPS (netperf.p5i

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Tomas Bodzar
It works, but it doesn't mean that it works well. Don't know why Sun decided to reinvent wheel (the most stupid idea in Unix world opposite to K.I.S.S.). There is pkgsrc available for Solaris or there are packaging systems from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, ... with good licence. -- This message posted fro

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Travis Tabbal
I've never used the older package system, OpenSolaris 2009.06 was my first try on Solaris as an admin. I've had no problems with the package system though. It works well for me. I've done image-updates when I needed to download close to a gig and it gets them all and installs them all without is

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-24 Thread Erik Trimble
Travis Tabbal wrote: 7) Opteron AMD PowerNow! frequency scaling does not work, which is a real pain in the neck, I hope that this will be fixed in future releases. So much for global warming, looks like the americans still do not care. Current AMD chips DO support power/frequency scaling

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-24 Thread Travis Tabbal
> Thanks! That's quite a useful bit of info, much like > what > I'd hoped for out of the HCL. I'd decided that ASUS > had > reliable-enough motherboards, AMD processors were > certainly usable and all support ECC. But the issues > with > the on-board ethernet chips and the disk controllers > were

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-24 Thread Travis Tabbal
> 7) Opteron AMD PowerNow! frequency scaling does not > work, which is a real pain in the neck, I hope that > this will be fixed in future releases. So much for > global warming, looks like the americans still do not > care. Current AMD chips DO support power/frequency scaling in OpenSolaris. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-24 Thread Jensen Lee
>[...] > my own *nix machine for a couple of years. I > regularly build machines from parts and an assortment > of corpses found in the workshop. I'm familiar with > OS's and hardware from user level right down to the > bare metal. But I don't do this every day, and I have > [...] I have a few tip

Re: [osol-discuss] any work on bug ID 6807184

2009-11-24 Thread Yannis Schoinas
The switch is unmanaged, so I can't set anything. But I will try another switch and see if it makes a difference. The change I made was simply set the pcie variable based on the capability and then comment out the trigger function invocation in the send function. So, it goes through the whole lo

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris site hard to browse through

2009-11-24 Thread Jensen Lee
Something in xwiki also often crashes my IE7 and NO I cannot upgrade because I have a corporate build on my laptop. I adopted xwiki too for my personal wiki long time ago and cursed the time since. Extremely heavy on Java, extremely convoluted code. Deisgned for technical masturbation, not seri

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Shawn Walker
Chad Welsh wrote: I guess there is a limit to how much you can update at one time when using Opensloaris 1002 b127 or any other Opensloaris version? If I try to install large packages like Openoffice, Java 7 runtime or I figure anything over 10MB or so the Package Manager fails to download the

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] about Secondlife latest viewer on Solaris(OpenSolaris)

2009-11-24 Thread Brian Cameron
Moinak Ghosh wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: Ken: I just tried the "OSOL 2008.11 and higher" client. I didn't have a Second Life account, so I created one at their website. Then, when I try to use the client, I enter my username and password and click the "Connec

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] about Secondlife latest viewer on Solaris(OpenSolaris)

2009-11-24 Thread Moinak Ghosh
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > > Ken: > > I just tried the "OSOL 2008.11 and higher" client.  I didn't have a > Second Life account, so I created one at their website. > > Then, when I try to use the client, I enter my username and password > and click the "Connect" button

Re: [osol-discuss] about Secondlife latest viewer on Solaris(OpenSolaris)

2009-11-24 Thread Brian Cameron
Ken: I just tried the "OSOL 2008.11 and higher" client. I didn't have a Second Life account, so I created one at their website. Then, when I try to use the client, I enter my username and password and click the "Connect" button. A dialog appears saying "Terms of Service Agreement - Please rea

Re: [osol-discuss] about Secondlife latest viewer on Solaris(OpenSolaris)

2009-11-24 Thread ken mays
Here you go and thanks to Dana Fagerstrom's hard work in porting the Second Life viewer to Sun Solaris/OpenSolaris: x86 Binaries: OSOL 2008.11 and higher https://solaris-sl-viewer.s3.amazonaws.com/SecondLife_i686_1_20_17_1640-2009Jan07-snv.pkg.bz2 Solaris 10u3 and higher: https://solaris-sl-vie

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Andrew Stormont
Nexenta.org 2009/11/24 Chad Welsh > I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? > Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream > world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true heavy > metal hitter solaris 10 and

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-help] Opensolaris 2009.06 users forced to pay for security update

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
Well they need to fix the IPS issues that are all around and they might get someone to pay,b ut until that part is rock solid like other pay for Operating Systems they will be hard pressed to get consumer financial support! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
I guess when people don't like the truth they stop helping no matter, huh? Well you all have a fun time with Sol-nux and stay in your yummy gummy dream world while us true believers stomp the turf with the tried and true heavy metal hitter solaris 10 and its Step brother that is beaten to death

Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-help] Opensolaris 2009.06 users forced to pay for security updates.

2009-11-24 Thread Jensen Lee
> Title: > Opensolaris releases unsecure by default, or: > Why are Opensolaris stable 2009.06 users forced to > pay for security updates? If it were a company of fat cats I would have a problem too, but Sun, unlike its many competitors, has instead contributed a great deal to the community witho

Re: [osol-discuss] *.deb equivalent in IPS

2009-11-24 Thread Robert Milkowski
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Vikash Tulsiyan wrote: AFAIK IPS packages can only be directly installed from a remote server. Is there any way i can download a package and install it later on my box . If not, is there any RFE for the same? It hasn't been implemented yet. All you can do now is to s

Re: [osol-discuss] *.deb equivalent in IPS

2009-11-24 Thread Guruprasad
Hi, On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Vikash Tulsiyan wrote: > AFAIK IPS packages can only be directly installed from a remote server. Is > there any way i can download a package and install it later on my box . If > not, is there any RFE for the same? Afaik and as of now you can't download IPS

[osol-discuss] *.deb equivalent in IPS

2009-11-24 Thread Vikash Tulsiyan
AFAIK IPS packages can only be directly installed from a remote server. Is there any way i can download a package and install it later on my box . If not, is there any RFE for the same? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discus

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris site hard to browse through

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
They tried cleaning up the site abit but made it harder to find things to those of us that were used to the old site and they have not given any insight on how they arranged things. It only works for those that have only a need for their specific haunts. -- This message posted from opensolaris.

Re: [osol-discuss] any work on bug ID 6807184

2009-11-24 Thread Masayuki Murayama
> I made some progress understanding the behavior but I > am nowhere close to a solution. Any suggestions would > be welcome. > > First of all, I think the fix in snv_127 for the PCIe > cards does not address the real issue. It simply > slows down transmission to the point where the bug > doesn't

[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris site hard to browse through

2009-11-24 Thread Jensen Lee
Is it just me or the OpenSolaris site is hard to search and browse through? For example, I am looking for information on Brandz, left navigation pane has nothing. Run a search for brandz in the search field above, and I find a number of disconnected finds, hard to tell if they are relevant to wh

Re: [osol-discuss] Frustrated beyond belief trying to cobble together a zfs platform

2009-11-24 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, Constantin's blog does come perilously close to being an AMD reference design, and could easily be turned into a useful one according to my internal metrics. About the only things that turned me away from plunging in and replicating it are that - I had a hard time finding an ASUS M3A78-CM a

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
set the variable and I still cannot finish an update. I cannot believe that you plan to replace solaris with this crap! You should have stuck with JDS R2 instead of a linux-solaris bastardization. At least I could get updates with JDS R2 before the repositories were

[osol-discuss] Control + Arrow Keys in Gnome Terminal Emulator

2009-11-24 Thread Joshua D Miller
Hello all, I have used Linux for many years, but I am new to Unix. Please forgive what I am sure is a problem with a simple solution. In the gnome terminal emulator, I am able to use the arrow keys to move about the line, but using control+left arrow or control+right arrow does not advance an

Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?

2009-11-24 Thread Chad Welsh
Well I guess if the service is supposed to work it would have had that setting already enabled. Hell I hate the living crap out of windows but its update service is significantly more reliable out of the box than this, hell even solaris 10 update manager is more reliable and efficient. But I gue