Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-29 22:24, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss wrote: On 30. Jan 2021, at 03:43, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-29 17:18, Andy Fiddaman wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: ; OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf ; with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM ; as I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
> On 30. Jan 2021, at 03:43, Chris wrote: > > On 2021-01-29 17:18, Andy Fiddaman wrote: >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: >> ; OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf >> ; with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM >> ; as I could jam in it. >> ; BIOS: >> ; boot UEFI >> ;

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
> On 30. Jan 2021, at 03:57, Gary Mills wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 05:02:21PM -0800, Chris wrote: >> OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf >> with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM >> as I could jam in it. >> BIOS: >> boot UEFI > > You can't do that. You have

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
> On 30. Jan 2021, at 06:52, Chris wrote: > > On 2021-01-29 17:57, Gary Mills wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 05:02:21PM -0800, Chris wrote: >>> OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf >>> with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM >>> as I could jam in it. >>> BIOS: >>>

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-29 17:57, Gary Mills wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 05:02:21PM -0800, Chris wrote: OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM as I could jam in it. BIOS: boot UEFI You can't do that. You have to boot OI in BIOS mode. The

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-29 17:57, Gary Mills wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 05:02:21PM -0800, Chris wrote: OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM as I could jam in it. BIOS: boot UEFI You can't do that. You have to boot OI in BIOS mode. The

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Gary Mills
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 05:02:21PM -0800, Chris wrote: > OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf > with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM > as I could jam in it. > BIOS: > boot UEFI You can't do that. You have to boot OI in BIOS mode. The loader works in UEFI mode, but OI

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-29 17:18, Andy Fiddaman wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: ; OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf ; with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM ; as I could jam in it. ; BIOS: ; boot UEFI ; SATA ahci ; I've tried 2 different Nvidia cards, as well as the ; i

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Andy Fiddaman
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: ; OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf ; with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM ; as I could jam in it. ; BIOS: ; boot UEFI ; SATA ahci ; I've tried 2 different Nvidia cards, as well as the ; intermal video. The results are the same; ; 2

[OpenIndiana-discuss] ~6 minutes to OI banner/boot options in text install

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
OK just dragged a Dell Optiplex 790 off the shelf with a 4 core 8 thread i5 CPU in it, and as much RAM as I could jam in it. BIOS: boot UEFI SATA ahci I've tried 2 different Nvidia cards, as well as the intermal video. The results are the same; 2.5 minutes to get to the OI banner/boot options. An

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A rant

2021-01-29 Thread Aurélien Larcher
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:50 PM Lou Picciano wrote: > Reg, > > As a guy partly responsible (apologies!) for the list being generally > pretty quiet, the only contribution I can make to this at the moment is: > > Reg, You Da Man! > > (written from only a few miles from that Bell Labs you so right

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A rant

2021-01-29 Thread Lou Picciano
Reg, As a guy partly responsible (apologies!) for the list being generally pretty quiet, the only contribution I can make to this at the moment is: Reg, You Da Man! (written from only a few miles from that Bell Labs you so rightly mentioned…) Lou Picciano > On Jan 29, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Regi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Stephan Althaus
On 01/29/21 22:24, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss wrote: On 29. Jan 2021, at 23:20, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 01/29/21 17:29, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-28 23:38, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: On 29.01.21 06:48, Chris wrote: Maybe I'm spoiled, because the (Free)BSD console(s) are great. I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A rant

2021-01-29 Thread Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
I have been ignoring this torrent of BS as patiently as I can, but I'm really getting tired of it. First of all, computing has a 75 year old history. There have been many false starts and mistakes along the way. The failure of the new arrivals to learn from the past results in the same mistak

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-29 13:20, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 01/29/21 17:29, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-28 23:38, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: On 29.01.21 06:48, Chris wrote: Maybe I'm spoiled, because the (Free)BSD console(s) are great. I can CTRL+ALT+F(1-12) for a new session, and attack several different task

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
> On 29. Jan 2021, at 23:20, Stephan Althaus > wrote: > > On 01/29/21 17:29, Chris wrote: >> On 2021-01-28 23:38, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: >>> On 29.01.21 06:48, Chris wrote: Maybe I'm spoiled, because the (Free)BSD console(s) are great. I can CTRL+ALT+F(1-12) for a new session, a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Stephan Althaus
On 01/29/21 17:29, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-28 23:38, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: On 29.01.21 06:48, Chris wrote: Maybe I'm spoiled, because the (Free)BSD console(s) are great. I can CTRL+ALT+F(1-12) for a new session, and attack several different tasks simultaneously. Guess I'm going to have to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A rant

2021-01-29 Thread Judah Richardson
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:46 PM Jedi Tek’Unum wrote: > EVERY OS in existence is getting really long in the tooth (outdated) The irony of this is we're on the discussion list of an OS distribution whose fundamental underpinnings are decades old and that is the continuation of a legacy OS. and fo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A rant

2021-01-29 Thread Rennie Allen
QNX is so far ahead of any other operating system, the fact that it hasn't changed yet n the last 20 years is basically a good thing as it has finally stabilised (after having had two completely breaking rewrites from scratch in the prior 20 years). Only now are operating systems like fuchsia and

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A rant

2021-01-29 Thread Jedi Tek’Unum
EVERY OS in existence is getting really long in the tooth (outdated) and for the most part hasn’t innovated in a very long time. Ideally they would ALL be replaced. I’m not comparing “Linux” (the hoard of many each slightly different) to Illumos or derivatives specifically. My comment was purel

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to install MATE or Gnome Desktop?

2021-01-29 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 29.01.21 um 19:59 schrieb Jason Long via openindiana-discuss: Hello, I installed the MATE desktop, but system can't boot in the graphical Desktop. You'll need to enable lightdm: pfexec svcadm enable lightdm This should bring the graphical login. Regards, Andreas

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to install MATE or Gnome Desktop?

2021-01-29 Thread Jason Long via openindiana-discuss
Hello, I installed the MATE desktop, but system can't boot in the graphical Desktop. On Friday, January 29, 2021, 08:59:34 PM GMT+3:30, Jason Long via openindiana-discuss wrote: Thank you so much. On Friday, January 29, 2021, 08:38:52 PM GMT+3:30, Andreas Wacknitz wrote:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread John D Groenveld
In message <6af404130fb7e202352aab33a4fad...@bsdos.info>, Chris writes: >First off. To make something I can develop (OI) on. If I was in your shoes, I would stick with FreeBSD as my daily driver and do my OI porting and development on a bhyve VM. John groenv...@acm.org __

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to install MATE or Gnome Desktop?

2021-01-29 Thread Jason Long via openindiana-discuss
Thank you so much. On Friday, January 29, 2021, 08:38:52 PM GMT+3:30, Andreas Wacknitz wrote: Am 29.01.21 um 17:57 schrieb Jason Long via openindiana-discuss: > Hello, > I did below commands to install MATE Desktop: > # pfexec pkg refresh --full > # pfexec pkg image-update -v > # pfe

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to install MATE or Gnome Desktop?

2021-01-29 Thread Andreas Wacknitz
Am 29.01.21 um 17:57 schrieb Jason Long via openindiana-discuss: Hello, I did below commands to install MATE Desktop: # pfexec pkg refresh --full # pfexec pkg image-update -v # pfexec pkg mate_install But, I got below error: pkg: unknown subcommand 'mate_install' mate_install is not a command b

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-29 08:45, John D Groenveld wrote: In message <91ecf33c60c1c9dcca392709ecd01...@bsdos.info>, Chris writes: Thanks! I don't have any of that here. This sort of thing is controlled by /etc/ttys on FreeBSD. I'm not sure what the equivalent is on OI. Will have to look around and see what I

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] How to install MATE or Gnome Desktop?

2021-01-29 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Jason Long via openindiana-discuss writes: > I did below commands to install MATE Desktop: > # pfexec pkg refresh --full > # pfexec pkg image-update -v   > # pfexec pkg mate_install Try "pfexec pkg install -v mate_install" or, if you want to do a dry run first to see what it will do, specify "-nv"

[OpenIndiana-discuss] How to install MATE or Gnome Desktop?

2021-01-29 Thread Jason Long via openindiana-discuss
Hello, I did below commands to install MATE Desktop: # pfexec pkg refresh --full # pfexec pkg image-update -v   # pfexec pkg mate_install But, I got below error: pkg: unknown subcommand 'mate_install' Why? Thank you. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing li

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread John D Groenveld
In message <91ecf33c60c1c9dcca392709ecd01...@bsdos.info>, Chris writes: >Thanks! I don't have any of that here. This sort of thing is >controlled by /etc/ttys on FreeBSD. I'm not sure what the equivalent >is on OI. Will have to look around and see what I can find. https://wiki.openindiana.org/page

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-28 23:38, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: On 29.01.21 06:48, Chris wrote: Maybe I'm spoiled, because the (Free)BSD console(s) are great. I can CTRL+ALT+F(1-12) for a new session, and attack several different tasks simultaneously. Guess I'm going to have to build all that into OI. Fire up

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] What's HASWELL support like on OI?

2021-01-29 Thread Chris
On 2021-01-28 22:54, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 01/29/21 07:48, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-28 22:18, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss wrote: On 29. Jan 2021, at 07:48, Chris wrote: On 2021-01-28 19:48, Gary Mills wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 05:35:38PM -0800, Chris wrote: I'm trying to fi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A dumb idea

2021-01-29 Thread Stephan Althaus
On 01/29/21 13:10, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: On 29.01.21 11:52, Jim Klimov wrote: On January 29, 2021 6:08:50 AM UTC, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 01/29/21 06:58, Chris wrote: ... Taken this idea, to me it would make more sense to try to transform joyent's pkgsrc, as many these pkgs in there

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A dumb idea

2021-01-29 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 29.01.21 13:39, Chris Game wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: ... fe; if you build your packages/applications from ports (source). You can NOT use package AT ALL. Conversely; if you install your applications from pkg(8). You can NOT build additional applications from ports/source. T

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A dumb idea

2021-01-29 Thread Chris Game
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, Chris wrote: While coming from FreeBSD makes me a bit biased. I think it's a good thing to think/talk about. But be warned; FreeBSD pkg(8) comes with it's own set of complications. Not something OI would want to inherit. fe; if you build your packages/applications from p

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A dumb idea

2021-01-29 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 29.01.21 11:52, Jim Klimov wrote: On January 29, 2021 6:08:50 AM UTC, Stephan Althaus wrote: On 01/29/21 06:58, Chris wrote: ... Taken this idea, to me it would make more sense to try to transform joyent's pkgsrc, as many these pkgs in there are known to build on illumos. IF it is possi

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A dumb idea

2021-01-29 Thread Peter Tribble
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 3:51 AM Hung Nguyen Gia via openindiana-discuss < openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org> wrote: > What about just import the FreeBSD Ports system and like DragonflyBSD uses > transformations scripts (https://github.com/DragonFlyBSD/DeltaPorts) to > transform it into illumos-p

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A dumb idea

2021-01-29 Thread Jim Klimov
On January 29, 2021 6:08:50 AM UTC, Stephan Althaus wrote: >On 01/29/21 06:58, Chris wrote: ... >Taken this idea, to me it would make more sense to try to transform >joyent's pkgsrc, >as many these pkgs in there are known to build on illumos. >IF it is possible technically and a reasonable effor