Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2025-01-27 Thread Emma Hain via Oceania
Thanks John for these comments and I think you have summed up where I think we should be. On Sat, Jan 25, 2025, 3:06 PM John Bryant via Oceania < oceania@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > This has been on my mind as well. I really appreciate all the thoughtful > comments in this discussion; I'd left Hoba

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2025-01-24 Thread John Bryant via Oceania
This has been on my mind as well. I really appreciate all the thoughtful comments in this discussion; I'd left Hobart wondering if anyone had feelings about the ESRI sponsorship, as I did. It wasn't a great feeling in general. I didn't love that ESRI was promoting ArcGIS at a FOSS4G, or that they

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2025-01-22 Thread Andrew Jeffrey via Oceania
Hi All, Thanks for the presentations Alex, I have been binge watching! I echo Ems comments, it's great that we can have this discussion openly like this, I really appreciate everyone's contribution and the OO board members encouraging this to happen in the open. I do however feel like we need to

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2025-01-21 Thread Emma Hain via Oceania
Hi All The great thing about a strong community is that we discuss things, learn, change, or hold steadfast to our values and everyone is respected for their position but we can see pass these views and still have a great community. In regards to Kate's presentation, I did have issues with it but

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2025-01-20 Thread Byron via Oceania
Hello, Thanks Alex for this well presented response. I too have little quibble with Kate’s presentation, but do feel a bit uncomfortable with ESRI’s presence at FOSS4G. Not so much that I do not think they shouldn't be there, but enough that I would like to see them kept on a tight leash. My

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2025-01-20 Thread Alex Leith via Oceania
Hey Folks Hope we've all had a great break and are ready to tackle a new year, one that already has some weird stuff going on in other countries, but hopefully we're all safe and well and I wish everyone the best. So, coming back around to this topic of the elephant. First, I acknowledge that yo

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-26 Thread Nathan Woodrow via Oceania
ave been shat on by certain NZ ESRI partners (note there >>> is no direct ESRI presence in NZ, which may have made a difference) over >>> the years - both as a vendor and as a potential client. So, I have no >>> particular love for the NZ ESRI partners (although there a

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-22 Thread Violaine via Oceania
*Carrol Chan via Oceania *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2024 2:08 PM *To:* eli *Cc:* OSgeo - Oceania *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI Hi all, Even though I did not attend the conference this year I was

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-22 Thread Alex Leith via Oceania
orship in the future. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Oceania *On Behalf Of *Carrol >> Chan via Oceania >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2024 2:08 PM >> *To:* eli >> *Cc:* OSge

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-22 Thread Jody Garnett via Oceania
no >>> particular love for the NZ ESRI partners (although there are some >>> exceptional individuals I talk to occasionally). >>> >>> >>> >>> I think it is fantastic that everyone is engaging in this conversation >>> (even if my own

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-21 Thread Adam Steer via Oceania
HIya all ...just chiming in to say that ESRI *sponsoring* FOSS4G events isn't new at a global level. Inviting an ESRI employee to keynote is new; and if I read right, sponsoring a TGP, is new. My own response to the news was "OK interesting - what is ESRI buying here? and who from within the open

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-21 Thread Dan Carmody via Oceania
occasionally). >> >> >> >> I think it is fantastic that everyone is engaging in this conversation >> (even if my own views may not align with everyone) and we should certainly >> consider our communities views when looking at sponsorship in the future. >> >&

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-21 Thread Cholena Smart via Oceania
ia *On Behalf Of *Carrol > Chan via Oceania > *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2024 2:08 PM > *To:* eli > *Cc:* OSgeo - Oceania > *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI > > > > Hi all, > > > > Even though I did not attend the

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Simon Nitz via Oceania
future. Cheers Simon From: Oceania On Behalf Of Carrol Chan via Oceania Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2024 2:08 PM To: eli Cc: OSgeo - Oceania Subject: Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI Hi all, Even though I did not attend the conference this year I was definitely a

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Carrol Chan via Oceania
Hi all, Even though I did not attend the conference this year I was definitely a bit taken aback when I saw ESRI as a sponsor and completely understand the feelings of those who have been burned not only by regional distributors, but also strong ESRI advocates. However, I believe our community (es

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread John Bryant via Oceania
Thanks for bringing it up Andrew J, it hasn't sat especially well with me either. It was a great event, but it seemed incongruous to have a vendor selling ArcGIS at a booth at a FOSS4G. On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 at 21:02, Andrew Harvey via Oceania < oceania@lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Go

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread eli via Oceania
Thanks to Andrew and everyone else who has contributed to this discussion. It seems to have stirred quite a reaction in the community, and it’s important to address it. As Alex pointed out, the committee's decisions are somewhat separate from the board. That said, I personally supported this initi

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Alex Leith via Oceania
Hi Andrew Thanks for raising this, and I'm glad we're having the discussion. The local organising committee for FOSS4G SotM Oceania operates independently of the Board, even though some on the committee may be Board members. And as a committee, we talked a lot about decisions on keynotes, making

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Rowan via Oceania
Hi all, I was asked the same question by some of the people that attended with me. My answer to them was that the FOSS4G community often tells people that major companies should care and invest in FOSS4G, Open Standards and Data as ultimately they benefit from it. While have ESRI as a sponsor

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Violaine via Oceania
Hi, My quick 2 cents : I felt it weird too, and bring an unconfortable feeling. (It doesnt question the capacity to organize a great event thought) Have a lovely day all Le 20/11/2024 à 03:23, John Bryant via Oceania a écrit : Thanks for bringing it up Andrew J, it hasn't sat especially well

Re: [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Andrew Harvey via Oceania
Hi Andrew, Good on you for speaking up about your concerns! I'm sure you're not the only one who had this thought. Speaking from myself here, as far as I'm aware anyone can support the conference financially through sponsorship without any other requirements, but it would be up to the organisi

[OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G Hobart - Elephant in the room ESRI

2024-11-20 Thread Andrew Jeffrey via Oceania
Hi All, I hope everyone that was able to attend the FOSS4G SOTM Oceania Hobart conference had a great time. I'm still very much bummed that I wasn't able to make it down there and my only start at the OO conference remains Melbourne in 2018. I plan on improving my numbers as best I can into the fu