Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-29 Thread agks mehx
; >both random-hex tokens and signed JWTs is equally powerful. The fact > >that I can reuse 90% of that code and also get signed MAC tokens is > >likewise powerful. > > > >Thus, I stand by my originally-suggested text and respectfully submit it > >to the editor and workin

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-26 Thread Eran Hammer
kewise powerful. > >Thus, I stand by my originally-suggested text and respectfully submit it >to the editor and working group for consideration of inclusion in this >section. > > -- Justin > >On 01/26/2012 12:49 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: >> >>> -Original Messag

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-26 Thread Justin Richer
respectfully submit it to the editor and working group for consideration of inclusion in this section. -- Justin On 01/26/2012 12:49 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: -Original Message- From: Justin Richer [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:07 AM To: Eran Hammer Cc:

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-26 Thread Phil Hunt
ailto:jric...@mitre.org] >> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:07 AM >> To: Eran Hammer >> Cc: OAuth WG >> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II) >> >> I realize that -23 is already published with the below text, but since this >> is a >> wh

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-26 Thread Eran Hammer
> -Original Message- > From: Justin Richer [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:07 AM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: OAuth WG > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II) > > I realize that -23 is already published with the below text

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-26 Thread John Bradley
Yes Justin's rewording makes it sound less like non-interoperability is a desired outcome. On 2012-01-26, at 11:06 AM, Justin Richer wrote: > I realize that -23 is already published with the below text, but since this > is a whole new section and nobody else seemed to bring it up, I wanted to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-26 Thread Justin Richer
I realize that -23 is already published with the below text, but since this is a whole new section and nobody else seemed to bring it up, I wanted to make sure it wasn't missed by the WG. Suggested non-trivial clarifications: - (1) 1.3.4 - "previously arran

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part III)

2012-01-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
As before, Thanks S On 21 Jan 2012, at 02:53, Eran Hammer wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Stephen Farrell >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM > >> Original list of nits: >> -- >> >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part III)

2012-01-20 Thread Eran Hammer
> -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Stephen Farrell > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM > Original list of nits: > -- > > - Intro: Maybe add some ascii-art showing the roles of the user, browser, >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
Same response as for part I from me, S On 01/21/2012 01:04 AM, Eran Hammer wrote: -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM Suggested non-trivial clarifications:

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part II)

2012-01-20 Thread Eran Hammer
> -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Stephen Farrell > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM > Suggested non-trivial clarifications: > - > > (1) 1.3.4 - "previously arranged" might trigge

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part I)

2012-01-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
FWIW, from my p-o-v everything here is either ok, me being dumb (the password one, I need to check), part of some other thread, or stuff that's ok to resolve if necessary at IETF LC or later. So - I'd say firing away with -23 and getting this out the door (once current threads resolve themselves

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part I)

2012-01-20 Thread Eran Hammer
> -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Stephen Farrell > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM > List 1 - Fairly sure these need changes: > > > (1) In 2.3.1 MUST the AS support both HT

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-03 Thread William Mills
ustin Richer ; William Mills ; "oauth@ietf.org" Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 +1 I note that RFCs 2616 & 2617 only reference each other. There is no MTI text. It just references them. It may be reasonable to observe that there

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-03 Thread Michael Thomas
-Original Message- From: Justin Richer [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:46 AM To: William Mills Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; John Bradley; Torsten Lodderstedt; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 This is exactly what I was thinking of. If a give

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-03 Thread Phil Hunt
nterop is not really an issue ATM. > > EHL > >> -Original Message- >> From: Justin Richer [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] >> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:46 AM >> To: William Mills >> Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; John Bradley; Torsten Lodderstedt; oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-03 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
EHL > -Original Message- > From: Justin Richer [mailto:jric...@mitre.org] > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:46 AM > To: William Mills > Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; John Bradley; Torsten Lodderstedt; oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 > > This is exactly

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-03 Thread Justin Richer
is the value of mandating a token type? > > > > -bill > > > > > __ > From: Eran Hammer-Lahav > To: John Bradley ; Torsten Lodderstedt > > Cc: "oauth@ietf.org" > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:11 PM > Subject

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread William Mills
an Hammer-Lahav To: John Bradley ; Torsten Lodderstedt Cc: "oauth@ietf.org" Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 Do you want to see no change or adjust it to client must implement both, server de

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread André DeMarre
e library'. >> >> EHL >> >> ________ >> From: Stephen Farrell [stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:45 PM >> To: John Bradley >> Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; oauth@ietf.org >> Subjec

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread John Bradley
t: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:45 PM > To: John Bradley > Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 > > So perhaps this is the interesting point of difference. > > On 11/02/2011 08:37 PM, John Bradley wrote: >> It is up to the ser

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
n.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:45 PM To: John Bradley Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 So perhaps this is the interesting point of difference. On 11/02/2011 08:37 PM, John Bradley wrote: > It is up to the server to decide what fo

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
If we must define a mandatory token type then bearer + TLS would be my suggestion. regards, Torsten. Am 02.11.2011 21:28, schrieb Stephen Farrell: Hi Torsten, On 11/02/2011 07:45 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: Hi Stephen, I'm concerned about your proposal (7) to make support for MAC a MUST

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
So perhaps this is the interesting point of difference. On 11/02/2011 08:37 PM, John Bradley wrote: It is up to the server to decide what formats it will support. With IETF protocols, its IETF consensus that decides this in almost all cases that affect interop and it is therefore not up to th

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Phillip Hunt
The issue is that the service provider will likely only accept ONE token format in practice. The security requirements of the scenario dictate choice of Mac or bearer or for that matter any other new scheme. An MTI would complicate the spec by implying a choice of tokens by the client because

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread John Bradley
un...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John > Bradley [ve7...@ve7jtb.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:06 PM > To: Torsten Lodderstedt > Cc: oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 > > +1 > On 2011-11-02, at 4:45 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: > >>

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Agnostic sounds like a fine word. I'd need to have it demonstrated to me that it doesn't mean non-interoperable in this case. S. ___ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Mike Jones
oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 +1 Leave the current text as is, keep this part of OAuth token-type agnostic. -- Justin On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 13:18 -0700, Phil Hunt wrote: > +1 > > > Phil > > > @independentid > www.independent

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Torsten, On 11/02/2011 07:45 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: Hi Stephen, I'm concerned about your proposal (7) to make support for MAC a MUST for clients and BEARER a MAY only. In my opinion, this does not reflect the group's consensus. That wasn't quite my comment, which is below: (7)

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Justin Richer
+1 Leave the current text as is, keep this part of OAuth token-type agnostic. -- Justin On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 13:18 -0700, Phil Hunt wrote: > +1 > > > Phil > > > @independentid > www.independentid.com > phil.h...@oracle.com > > > > > > > > > On 2011-11-02, at 1:06 PM, John Bradley

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Phil Hunt
+1 Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On 2011-11-02, at 1:06 PM, John Bradley wrote: > +1 > On 2011-11-02, at 4:45 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: > >> Hi Stephen, >> >> I'm concerned about your proposal (7) to make support for MAC a MUST for >> clients and BEA

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
Lodderstedt Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22 +1 On 2011-11-02, at 4:45 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: Hi Stephen, I'm concerned about your proposal (7) to make support for MAC a MUST for clients and BEARER a MAY only. In my opinion, this does not reflect the gr

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread John Bradley
+1 On 2011-11-02, at 4:45 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > I'm concerned about your proposal (7) to make support for MAC a MUST for > clients and BEARER a MAY only. In my opinion, this does not reflect the > group's consensus. Beside this, the security threat analysis justifies

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Torsten Lodderstedt
Hi Stephen, I'm concerned about your proposal (7) to make support for MAC a MUST for clients and BEARER a MAY only. In my opinion, this does not reflect the group's consensus. Beside this, the security threat analysis justifies usage of BEARER for nearly all use cases as long as HTTPS (incl. s

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
I have not seen any responses to these items so I assume the group is in agreement with the comments made. I will push out a revised ID addressing these items in a few days. EHL From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen