Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-19 Thread Phil Hunt
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Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Nat Sakimura
gt; > PLEASE READ :This e-mail is confidential and intended for the > > named recipient only. If you are not an intended recipient, > > please notify the sender and delete this e-mail. > > > > *From:* Phil Hunt (IDM) [mailto:phil.h...@oracle.com > ] > *Sent:* Frid

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Phil Hunt (IDM)
> From: Phil Hunt (IDM) [mailto:phil.h...@oracle.com] > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 1:58 PM > To: Nat Sakimura > Cc: Mike Jones; oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence > > No. Much simpler. > > A service p

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Nat Sakimura
and delete this e-mail. From: Phil Hunt (IDM) [mailto:phil.h...@oracle.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 1:58 PM To: Nat Sakimura Cc: Mike Jones; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence No. Much simpler. A service provider has decid

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Phil Hunt (IDM)
: OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Phil Hunt (IDM) > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 2:09 AM > To: Mike Jones > Cc: oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence > > How does the client request the oauth configuration as

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Nat Sakimura
-- Mike From: John Bradley [mailto:ve7...@ve7jtb.com] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:41 AM To: Phil Hunt mailto:phil.h...@oracle.com> > Cc: Mike Jones mailto:michael.jo...@microsoft.com> >; oauth@ietf.org <mailto:oauth@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-W

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
. -- Mike From: William Denniss [mailto:wdenn...@google.com] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:28 AM To: Mike Jones Cc: John Bradley ; Anthony Nadalin ; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence Two review comments: 1

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
Phil Hunt ; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence We are establishing a registry. Some folks do use dynamic client registration. We can register it in this document or take it out and let others register it once the registry is established.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread John Bradley
addressed. > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Jones > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:18 AM > To: Anthony Nadalin ; Hannes Tschofenig > ; Phil Hunt ; John Bradley > > Cc: oauth@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its ess

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Anthony Nadalin
y that have not been addressed. -Original Message- From: Mike Jones Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:18 AM To: Anthony Nadalin ; Hannes Tschofenig ; Phil Hunt ; John Bradley Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence It's the OAuth-

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
-- Mike -Original Message- From: OAuth [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Nadalin Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:13 AM To: Hannes Tschofenig ; Phil Hunt ; John Bradley Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence I also t

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Anthony Nadalin
, February 18, 2016 6:47 AM To: Phil Hunt ; John Bradley Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence On 02/18/2016 03:06 PM, Phil Hunt wrote: > BTW. I think we are FAR from Last Call on this topic. Thanks for your feedback, Phil. As you have seen I

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread John Bradley
OAuth >> Discovery document since it isn’t always applicable. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Mike >>   <> >> From: John Bradley [mailto:ve7...@ve7jtb.com <

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence How does the client request the oauth configuration assigned to xyz? The example you give appears to presume a single oauth infrastructure for all apps. The only way right now to have apps specific oauth is to infer the relation by the domain

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Phil Hunt (IDM)
> > From: John Bradley [mailto:ve7...@ve7jtb.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:41 AM > To: Phil Hunt > Cc: Mike Jones ; oauth@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence > > I suspect that the configuration well-knowns a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Mike Jones
; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence I suspect that the configuration well-knowns are going to be on the root domain. You could try and get a user to put in crm.example.com<http://crm.example.com>, but I suspect that is not going to work.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread John Bradley
I suspect that the configuration well-knowns are going to be on the root domain. You could try and get a user to put in crm.example.com, but I suspect that is not going to work. If the app doesn’t have a specific protocol identifier then it would use the default. I don’t know if you can ge

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Phil Hunt
resource service X could be any http accessible service: * CRM * Finance * Payroll * ERP * any application on the web. The spec seems to suggest that we use /.well-known/crm to discover OAuth config for crm. But that may cause conflict if crm has its own discovery. Which leads us down the path

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
On 02/18/2016 03:06 PM, Phil Hunt wrote: > BTW. I think we are FAR from Last Call on this topic. Thanks for your feedback, Phil. As you have seen I had issued a WGLC prior to your message based on the claim from the authors that they believe the document is finished. We will, of course, take al

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Nat Sakimura
Hi Phil, >From the RESTful perspective, it is the resource that should specify where the client should find the configuration etc. through RFC5988. As RFC5785 states, /.well-known/ uri is a last resort when this approach does not work, e.g., when you cannot access the resource before knowing the m

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread John Bradley
Can you clarify what you mean by “resource service x”? Is that the RS base URI for the resource, a specific URI that the client is requesting? That is getting UMA ish. The concept of a base RS URI is a rat hole that I prefer not to go down, as it is something everyone thinks exists but like

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Phil Hunt
Maybe SCIM was a bad example. It functions as a RESTful resource in the context of OAuth. I find the use of OIDC to be confusing as an example (and the default) because it is both an OAuth resource and a security service. It is a modification of OAuth. Start thinking about every application

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread John Bradley
Diffrent protocols like Connect and SCIM may have different configurations, endpoints , keys , authentication methods, scopes etc. It should be posable to have them as one document, but forcing them to use one document is going to cause a explosion of claim registration for discovery. I think i

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-18 Thread Phil Hunt
I still find the following text objectionable and confusing… By default, for historical reasons, unless an application-specific well-known URI path suffix is registered and used for an application, the client for that application SHOULD use the well-known URI path suffix "openid-configu

[OAUTH-WG] OAuth Discovery spec pared down to its essence

2016-02-17 Thread Mike Jones
In response to working group input, this version of the OAuth Discovery specification has been pared down to its essence - leaving only the features that are already widely deployed. Specifically, all that remains is the definition of the authorization server discovery metadata document and the