Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] R: draft-jones-appsawg-webfinger-04

2012-05-08 Thread Paul E. Jones
rting point - the issues I've raised have been ignored, and the spec is now much more complicated from both sides of the implementation fence. On May 7, 2012 3:17 PM, "Paul E. Jones" <mailto:pau...@packetizer.com>> wrote: Walter, I'm not sure what the

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] R: draft-jones-appsawg-webfinger-04

2012-05-07 Thread Paul E. Jones
Walter, I'm not sure what the full set of issues will be, but I only have a couple of small edits queued for -05 at present (one being "template" should be "href" in the example at the end of 4.2 that you pointed out to me privately). We've already worked through a number of issues to get to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-23 Thread Paul E. Jones
Michael, > From a programming standpoint, JSON is just easier to deal with. Consider > these two links: > > http://php.net/manual/en/book.json.php > > http://php.net/manual/en/book.xml.php > > and tell me which you'd rather deal with. It's not huge, but it's not > nothing either. To be fair,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-21 Thread Paul E. Jones
bet many other applications will have to deal with a variety of content types, like hcard, vcard, portable contacts, and others that might use something else. Paul Original Message From: SM Sent: Sat Apr 21 16:03:53 EDT 2012 To: "Paul E. Jones" Cc: oauth@ietf.org,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-20 Thread Paul E. Jones
Michael, > > am NOT okay with making it the only one, and I am even less okay with > > mandating it is the ONLY one. I would say MUST JSON, MUST (or > > possibly SHOULD -- you can convince me either way) XML, and MAY for > > anything else that people feel stronly about (although I feel in 2012 >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-20 Thread Paul E. Jones
nt side (or at least go sifting through replies looking for the proper link relations and values). Paul > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Renfer [mailto:d...@kronkltd.net] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:09 AM > To: William Mills > Cc: Mike Jones; Paul E. Jones; Murray S.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-20 Thread Paul E. Jones
Mike, > On 04/20/2012 07:17 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Note that this is a replay of the historical "MUST > > Implement" versus "MUST Use" arguments. Just because the server MUST > > IMPLEMENT JSON and XML does not mean that a Client must use both (or > > even that a client must implement both).

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-20 Thread Paul E. Jones
Derek, > > I do not agree that it's harmful. If I removed the WF discussion off > > the table, I'm still having a hard time buying into everything you > > said in the blog post. > > > > I implement various web services, largely for my own use. Usually, I > > implement all of them in XML, JSON, pl

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-19 Thread Paul E. Jones
Mike, Deal. :-) Paul > -Original Message- > From: Mike Jones [mailto:michael.jo...@microsoft.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:49 AM > To: Paul E. Jones; 'Murray S. Kucherawy'; oauth@ietf.org; 'Apps Discuss' > Subject: RE: [apps-discuss] [

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-19 Thread Paul E. Jones
- > From: Goix Laurent Walter [mailto:laurentwalter.g...@telecomitalia.it] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:49 AM > To: Tim Bray; Paul E. Jones > Cc: oauth@ietf.org; Apps Discuss > Subject: R: [apps-discuss] [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery > (SWD) > > I also w

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-19 Thread Paul E. Jones
servers to add JSON would be easy enough to do. Paul > -Original Message- > From: Tim Bray [mailto:tb...@textuality.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:33 AM > To: Paul E. Jones > Cc: Mike Jones; Murray S. Kucherawy; oauth@ietf.org; Apps Discuss > Subject: Re: [apps-di

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-19 Thread Paul E. Jones
ld do that. Paul > -Original Message- > From: Mike Jones [mailto:michael.jo...@microsoft.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:10 AM > To: Paul E. Jones; 'Murray S. Kucherawy'; oauth@ietf.org; 'Apps Discuss' > Subject: RE: [apps-discuss] [OAUTH-W

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-19 Thread Paul E. Jones
g-term? Paul > -Original Message- > From: Tim Bray [mailto:tb...@textuality.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:41 PM > To: Paul E. Jones > Cc: Mike Jones; Murray S. Kucherawy; oauth@ietf.org; Apps Discuss > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-19 Thread Paul E. Jones
Mike, > There are two criteria that I would consider to be essential requirements > for any resulting general-purpose discovery specification: > > 1. Being able to always discover per-user information with a single GET > (minimizing user interface latency for mobile devices, etc.) WF can do tha

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-10 Thread Paul E. Jones
Nico, > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Paul E. Jones > wrote: > > What issues, specifically. (Messages are all over the place and I > > don’t know exactly what issues you’re raising. Is it with the > > approach we’re proposing or something else?) > > The fundam

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-08 Thread Paul E. Jones
Tim, > Hi Paul, > > > That's the reason for the MAC. Once we can ensure the integrity of > > the message exchange, then the existing cookie mechanism can provide > > us with the secure state management capability we need. > > Maybe I'm missing something in the MAC authentication draft, but I do

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-08 Thread Paul E. Jones
. Jones Cc: apps-disc...@ietf.org; Nico Williams; OAuth WG; HTTP Working Group; Ben Adida; Adam Barth; Eran Hammer-Lahav; http-st...@ietf.org Subject: RE: [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme On Jun 8, 2011 2:09 AM, "Paul E. Jones" wrote: > > Nico, > >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-08 Thread Paul E. Jones
co Williams [mailto:n...@cryptonector.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:36 PM > To: Paul E. Jones > Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; apps-disc...@ietf.org; Ben Adida; Adam Barth; > http-st...@ietf.org; HTTP Working Group; OAuth WG > Subject: Re: [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-07 Thread Paul E. Jones
Nico, > > Gonzalo and I worked on this: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-salgueiro-secure-state-management-04 > > > > This may not be entirely complete, but the idea was to allow a client > > and server to establish an association so that requests and responses > > could be authenticated. Is

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-state] [apps-discuss] HTTP MAC Authentication Scheme

2011-06-06 Thread Paul E. Jones
Nico, Sorry for coming into this so late, but I just saw this message. I don't have all of the background, but when I saw this message header and some of the dialog, it seems there is a desire to provide some level of authentication to requests and/or responses between the clients and servers. G