That's correct.  We could certainly make it mandatory, but the reason it
isn't is to maintain backward compatibility with existing deployments.

I think we should always think carefully when we decide to make a change
that breaks backward-compatibility.  This is one change that would do that.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Jones [mailto:michael.jo...@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:10 AM
> To: Paul E. Jones; 'Murray S. Kucherawy'; oauth@ietf.org; 'Apps Discuss'
> Subject: RE: [apps-discuss] [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery
> (SWD)
> 
> Currently, support for the "resource" parameter is optional, as per the
> following (correct?):
> 
>    Note that support for the "resource" parameter is optional, but
>    strongly RECOMMENDED for improved performance.  If a server does not
>    implement the "resource" parameter, then the server's host metadata
>    processing logic remains unchanged from RFC 6415.
> 
> To truly support 1, this would need to be changed to REQUIRED, correct?
> 
>                               -- Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul E. Jones [mailto:pau...@packetizer.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:16 PM
> To: Mike Jones; 'Murray S. Kucherawy'; oauth@ietf.org; 'Apps Discuss'
> Subject: RE: [apps-discuss] [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery
> (SWD)
> 
> Mike,
> 
> > There are two criteria that I would consider to be essential
> > requirements for any resulting general-purpose discovery specification:
> >
> > 1.  Being able to always discover per-user information with a single
> > GET (minimizing user interface latency for mobile devices, etc.)
> 
> WF can do that.  See:
> $ curl -v https://packetizer.com/.well-known/\
>           host-meta.json?resource=acct:pau...@packetizer.com
> 
> > 2.  JSON should be required and it should be the only format required
> > (simplicity and ease of deployment/adoption)
> 
> See the above example.  However, I also support XML with my server.  It
> took me less than 10 minutes to code up both XML and JSON representations.
> Once the requested format is determined, the requested URI is determined,
> data is pulled from the database, spitting out the desired format is
> trivial.
> 
> Note, and very important note: supporting both XML and JSON would only be
> a server-side requirement.  The client is at liberty to use the format it
> prefers.  I would agree that forcing a client to support both would be
> unacceptable, but the server?  Nothing to it.
> 
> > SWD already meets those requirements.  If the resulting spec meets
> > those requirements, it doesn't matter a lot whether we call it
> > WebFinger or Simple Web Discovery, but I believe that the requirements
> > discussion is probably the most productive one to be having at this
> > point - not the starting point document.
> 
> I believe WebFinger meets those requirements.  We could debate whether XML
> should be supported, but I'll note (again) that it is there in RFC 6415.
> That document isn't all that old and, frankly, it concerns me that we
> would have a strong preference for format A one week and then Format B the
> next.
> We are where we are and I can see reason for asking for JSON, but no good
> reason to say we should not allow XML (on the server side).
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 


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