Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-03-13 Thread David Rosky
John W. Linville wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 04:01:57PM -0800, David Rosky wrote: (Telecommunications Certification Body).The FCC also maintains a mechanism whereby certification-related questions can be asked directly of them and whereby answers to previous questions can be Can you

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-03-13 Thread John W. Linville
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 04:01:57PM -0800, David Rosky wrote: > (Telecommunications Certification Body).The FCC also maintains > a mechanism whereby certification-related questions can be asked > directly of them and whereby answers to previous questions can be Can you point me at this? What

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-03-12 Thread David Rosky
I also suspect that they only have to make it difficult for an end user and not a technologist. The issues here can be complex and there there is often a lot of mis-information. The above statement is basically true, but the issue of how compliance is determined is not always simple. I am a

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-03-03 Thread Jeff Garzik
Kasper Sandberg wrote: the binary userspace daemon protects against nothing. In the technical realm, true. In the legal realm, potentially false. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe netdev" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo inf

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-03-03 Thread Kasper Sandberg
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 17:10 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 12:58:02AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Sad, 2006-02-25 at 08:41 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > the regualatory problems are not true. > > > > They are although the binary interpretation isn't AFAIK fro

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-27 Thread Stephen Hemminger
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:10:29 + Christoph Hellwig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 12:58:02AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Sad, 2006-02-25 at 08:41 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > > the regualatory problems are not true. > > > > They are although the binary interpret

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-27 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 12:58:02AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sad, 2006-02-25 at 08:41 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > > the regualatory problems are not true. > > They are although the binary interpretation isn't AFAIK from law but > from lawyers. The same is actually true in much of the EU.

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-27 Thread Pavel Machek
> As a result of this change, some of the capabilities currently required > to be provided on the host include enforcement of regulatory limits for > the radio transmitter (radio calibration, transmit power, valid > channels, 802.11h, etc.) In order to meet the requirements of all > geographies

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-26 Thread Alejandro Bonilla
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 17:19 -0500, John Stoffel wrote: > > "Matthieu" == Matthieu CASTET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Matthieu> I will say, why not put the restriction of the firmware > Matthieu> binary blob ? It run on the device so it will be difficult > Matthieu> for people to analyse i

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Stephen Evanchik
On 2/25/06, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that apply to all". These rules go back to about the time of when they > outlawed any transmit tunability in CB radios in the later 70's, so its > not a new item by any means as its just an extension of that edict to > cover this newer technolo

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Alan Cox
On Sad, 2006-02-25 at 08:41 +, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > the regualatory problems are not true. They are although the binary interpretation isn't AFAIK from law but from lawyers. The same is actually true in much of the EU. The actual requirement is that the transmitting device must be reas

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Larry Finger
matthieu castet wrote: And what happen with the userspace binary blob ? How it will know in which country you are ? Does it access to a secret GPS on your computer ? So there are 2 solutions : - make the card work only for a country with a flag in a RO eeprom or in another place in the hardwar

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread matthieu castet
Hi, John Stoffel wrote: "Matthieu" == Matthieu CASTET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matthieu> I will say, why not put the restriction of the firmware Matthieu> binary blob ? It run on the device so it will be difficult Matthieu> for people to analyse it. So what do I do when I take my US lapt

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread John Stoffel
> "Matthieu" == Matthieu CASTET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matthieu> I will say, why not put the restriction of the firmware Matthieu> binary blob ? It run on the device so it will be difficult Matthieu> for people to analyse it. So what do I do when I take my US laptop and fly to country X

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Matthieu CASTET
Hi everybody, Le Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:19:40 +0100, Jan Engelhardt a écrit : >>If the modules crc changes, >>it must do an instant disable of the transmitter functions and exit or >>crash, thereby precluding any 'hot rodding' of the chipset. >> > Would not it be easiest to have the chipset enforc

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Stephen Hemminger
Maxime Bizon wrote: On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 16:14 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Note wrote: Hi, Obviously Intel doesn't want to manufacture one chipset for each subtle difference in legislation in each and every country it sells its chips in : Intel wants flexibility. As pointed out by Jan, the

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Maxime Bizon
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 16:14 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Note wrote: Hi, > Obviously Intel doesn't want to manufacture one chipset for each subtle > difference in legislation in each and every country it sells its chips > in : Intel wants flexibility. As pointed out by Jan, the binary approach does not

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Jan Engelhardt
> >This is, not even speaking about roaming your device from one country to >another. End-users want flexibility too... > The end user... Even with the closed-source approach I could run on a frequency that is legal in XYZ but is not in ABC. (Unless all 13 channels are the same _all_ over the wo

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Jean-Baptiste Note
Hi, > Would not it be easiest to have the chipset enforce the acceptable bands? > So that software can't switch the chipset to 1337 GHz no matter how hard > you forward/reverse-engineer it. Obviously Intel doesn't want to manufacture one chipset for each subtle difference in legislation in each

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Jan Engelhardt
>If the modules crc changes, >it must do an instant disable of the transmitter functions and exit or >crash, thereby precluding any 'hot rodding' of the chipset. > Would not it be easiest to have the chipset enforce the acceptable bands? So that software can't switch the chipset to 1337 GHz no m

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Michael Buesch
On Saturday 25 February 2006 00:48, you wrote: > > Awesome. Now all we need is someone to write the bcm series for wireless > and ndiswrapper > can go away. What, eh? We have a bcm43xx driver. Or what do you mean? -- Greetings Michael. pgpg8UBeK0L6n.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Michael Buesch
On Saturday 25 February 2006 12:19, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 25 February 2006 05:53, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > >On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 05:49:47AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> As someone (a broadcast engineer with 40+ years of carrying what > >> used to be a 1st phone) obviously more f

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Stefan Rompf
Am Samstag 25 Februar 2006 11:53 schrieb Christoph Hellwig: >From a short glance over the driver code, the protocol between the _open source_ driver and the binary user space daemon seems to be quite defined and unobfuscated. Obviously, someone owning the device has to verify that the daemon do

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 25 February 2006 05:53, Christoph Hellwig wrote: >On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 05:49:47AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >> As someone (a broadcast engineer with 40+ years of carrying what >> used to be a 1st phone) obviously more familiar with the FCC R&R >> than you apparently are, Christoph,

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 05:49:47AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > As someone (a broadcast engineer with 40+ years of carrying what used to > be a 1st phone) obviously more familiar with the FCC R&R than you > apparently are, Christoph, I'll have to argue that point. Please stop spreading the bulls

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 25 February 2006 03:41, Christoph Hellwig wrote: >On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 04:29:58PM -0600, James Ketrenos wrote: >> As a result of this change, some of the capabilities currently >> required to be provided on the host include enforcement of >> regulatory limits for the radio transmitte

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Jean-Baptiste Note
Hello James, > The daemon utilizes a sysfs interface exposed by > the driver in order to communicate with the hardware and configure the > required regulatory parameters. This seems to be the same kind of architecture as the one for the N770 (maemo.org). How do you expect to hide anything with th

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-25 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 04:29:58PM -0600, James Ketrenos wrote: > As a result of this change, some of the capabilities currently required > to be provided on the host include enforcement of regulatory limits for > the radio transmitter (radio calibration, transmit power, valid > channels, 802.11h,

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-24 Thread Dax Kelson
On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 16:29 -0600, James Ketrenos wrote: > Intel is pleased to announce the launch of an open source project to > support the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection mini-PCI > express adapter (IPW3945). Cool! > In order to meet the requirements of all > geographies into w

Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-24 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Awesome. Now all we need is someone to write the bcm series for wireless and ndiswrapper can go away. Jeff James Ketrenos wrote: Intel is pleased to announce the launch of an open source project to support the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection mini-PCI express adapter (IPW3945).

[Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection

2006-02-24 Thread James Ketrenos
Intel is pleased to announce the launch of an open source project to support the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection mini-PCI express adapter (IPW3945). The project is hosted at http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net. A development mailing list is available (linked from the top of the IPW3945 p