Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Where do you get 3 days? Voyager 1 is about 15.2B miles or 22.665707 hours at the speed of light. On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 7:12 PM Nathan Angelacos wrote: > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 00:58 -0500, Stas Bilder wrote: > > Pity we can’t ping Voyagers. > > S. > > > > ROTFL, you actually had me pull out

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Donald Eastlake
See https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status/ Thanks, Donald === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd d3e...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:46 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > Where do you get 3 days? > > Voyager 1 is about 15.2B miles or 22.665707 hours at the speed of light.

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Josh, Because the speed of light is different in different mediums. It depends on the index of refraction. Most of the Internet is on fiber optics, and the speed of light in glass fiber is dramatically slower than in a vacuum. Long distance single-mode communication fiber typically has a core i

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mel Beckman said: > Because the speed of light is different in different mediums. It depends on > the index of refraction. Most of the Internet is on fiber optics, and the > speed of light in glass fiber is dramatically slower than in a vacuum. Long > distance single-mode comm

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Chris, Of course I do. -mel > On Jul 21, 2024, at 8:55 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Mel Beckman said: >> Because the speed of light is different in different mediums. It depends on >> the index of refraction. Most of the Internet is on fiber optics, and the >> speed of li

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Sean Donelan
Keeping this within the realm of TCP/IP, i.e. within Earth terresterial links and the sphere of Earth geostationary orbits (maybe Lagrange points, I don't know what communication protocols far-earth satellites use). I'm not including inter-planetary or inter-stellar communication protocols.

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Mel, Voyager is using radio waves, which travel faster than the speed of light (in a vacuum, too!). But my point is more Earth to outside the solar system is ~24 hours so where did circumnavigating the globe get three days of latency? On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:29 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > Chris,

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Michael Thomas
On 7/21/24 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mel, Voyager is using radio waves, which travel faster than the speed of light (in a vacuum, too!).  But my point is more Earth to outside the solar system is ~24 hours so where did circumnavigating the globe get three days of latency? ::Albert Eins

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Aaron Groom
If worst-case is an option, there are some interesting routing policies between certain places. One example is a Australia to China--take Perth to Chongqing as an example. They're at about the same longitude, but RTT is routinely greater than 500 ms. Packets travel to Singapore, then cross the e

pgp keyservers

2024-07-21 Thread Randy Bush
are there any old keyservers still working? or only the new hipster ones? i tried three and no love hkps://pgp.mit.edu hkps://pgp.uni-mainz.de hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers randy

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Nathan Angelacos
On Sun, 2024-07-21 at 16:10 -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > > On 7/21/24 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > > > > Mel, > > > > > > > > Voyager is using radio waves, which travel faster than the speed of > > light (in a vacuum, too!).  But my point is more Earth to outside > > the s

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Mel Beckman
Easy. Bridge loop. -mel via cell On Jul 21, 2024, at 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:  Mel, Voyager is using radio waves, which travel faster than the speed of light (in a vacuum, too!). But my point is more Earth to outside the solar system is ~24 hours so where did circumnavigating the globe

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Josh Luthman said: > Voyager is using radio waves, which travel faster than the speed of light > (in a vacuum, too!). No... -- Chris Adams

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Whoops, that should have said radio waves travel faster than fiber (more so in a vacuum). On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:07 PM Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Josh Luthman said: > > Voyager is using radio waves, which travel faster than the speed of light > > (in a vacuum, too!). > > No... >

Re: pgp keyservers

2024-07-21 Thread Matt Corallo
pgp.mit.edu has been sporadically available for me over the last while, but yea AFAIU sks-keyservers shut down after the DoS drama, as did most of the old servers in the pool. I believe keyserver.ubuntu.com generally works and doesn't strip all the signatures and whatnot off keys when they uplo

Re: pgp keyservers

2024-07-21 Thread Randy Bush
> I think the hipster thing to do now, though, is --auto-locate-key with > the Web Key Distribution or the DNSSEC Key Distribution mechanism. i have done wkd for a fair while. but some folk like to pull keyrings, so i try to keep them updated. randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys

Re: pgp keyservers

2024-07-21 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
> On Jul 21, 2024, at 19:28, Randy Bush wrote: > >  >> >> I think the hipster thing to do now, though, is --auto-locate-key with >> the Web Key Distribution or the DNSSEC Key Distribution mechanism. > > i have done wkd for a fair while. but some folk like to pull keyrings, > so i try to kee

Re: Current diameter of the Internet?

2024-07-21 Thread Scott Q.
Well...it gets complicated :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k On Sunday, 21/07/2024 at 20:15 Josh Luthman wrote: Whoops, that should have said radio waves travel faster than fiber (more so in a vacuum). On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 8:07 PM Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Josh

Re: pgp keyservers

2024-07-21 Thread Neil Hanlon
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024, 18:31 J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 2024, at 19:28, Randy Bush wrote: > >  > > I think the hipster thing to do now, though, is --auto-locate-key with > > the Web Key Distribution or the DNSSEC Key Distribution mechanism. > > > i have done wkd for a fair w

Re: pgp keyservers

2024-07-21 Thread Matt Palmer
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:29:06PM -0500, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote: > I hate to say it but I really think pgp could benefit from a blockchain > implementation keeping it distributed among peers versus its current status. Absent a description of exactly how what you're proposing meaningfully